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Title: spiders
Post by: mobe_45 on September 08, 2008, 05:19:45 PM
I was wondering if there are any spiders that would be bad for newly hatched quail?
I found a small one in the brooder today and removed it.
We have some really large wolf spiders around here. Leg spans are wider than the chicks with bodies about an inch long. spider
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: wildergamebirds on September 08, 2008, 05:41:47 PM

  I would say the most likely harm would be from banging their heads together while running for the spider snack.  A wolf spider might put up a little fight, it wouldn't be good to have a brown recluse bite a chick, but over all, I'd say a heard of chicks would come out on top.  Spiders would not be as hard on the chicks as spider spray would.  If you'll have the brooder empty for a couple of months, you should spray, then.

  A Wolf Spider vs. One hundred Chicks video might make National Geographic TV.
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: jimmurray3 on September 08, 2008, 09:36:15 PM
wildgamebirds What could you spray in a building to get rid of spiders that wouldn't hurt the birds or chicks if anything? thank ya Jim
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: wildergamebirds on September 09, 2008, 07:07:16 AM

  Nothing that I know of, in spray form.  If you mean while the chicks are actually in the building.  If they are in brooder rings, not stacked wire brooders, you might get by with spraying along a wall, if carefull, and doors are open.

  Moth balls/crystals would be semi-safe with enough air circulation, you have to guess what's enough.  That's a good repellent, if you put it in cracks around walls, in corners, and such, before the chicks hatch.  Fumes shouldn't be a problem, once it's down in the cracks, well.   Under foundations, and cracks on the outside might be a deterrent, but might drive them on into the building.  I really like it (paradichlorobenzene)

  Sevin, or Diatomaceous Earth are pretty safe, but I don't know how effective they are on particular varieties.  I think I remember something about sevin for brown recluse, but better research that.
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: frank_lap_127 on September 09, 2008, 08:36:21 AM
 spider spider spider spider spider spider spider spider spider
Bug killing DE works great, it's not supposed to kill animals but I wouldn't take chances because of the poison mix is it to kill the bigger insects.

I already saw spiders with a blody length of 3'' here near of rivers (= full of dragonflies exiting from water).
 spider spider spider spider spider spider spider spider spider
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: wildergamebirds on September 09, 2008, 12:05:36 PM

  Kids and their Icons !

  Does make an interesting border.

  Jim, in case you don't know, DE is not a poison, it is finely ground, or naturally dust-like skeletal remains of small aquatic animals.  It is, in fact, a food additive.  Only effect it has on mice, for instance, is to deworm them, and make them healthier, so they can live and breed, longer.  One more reason for the moth balls.
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: frank_lap_127 on September 09, 2008, 12:47:11 PM
Wilder,
You don't know of what you are talking. There's the DE used to worm birds that is used as a food aditive and that is not toxic. But the DE used to kill bugs got poison had to it, that's why it's a pain in the butt for me to get non-toxic DE while I could get a bottle of toxic DE for $5 at the hardware, make some research before to criticize!

Frank
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: wildergamebirds on September 09, 2008, 02:02:40 PM

  BY GOD BOY !  YOU DONE STEPPED IN IT NOW  !!

  Charliehorse tried to warn you.


  One man agrees with you on one part of a subject (offensive to some degree to about 85% of the American population), and you think that means you are right about everything that crosses you immature, alcohol damaged brain.  You often pick up half of a sentence, then misquote it, later, as if it were truth, and from your experience.  A small part, but very small part of the problem is translation.  However, everyone here (including me) has allowed for that, a lot.  When you take time to think, and write, you are mostly understandable (even by closed minded old assholes).  Please note, if punctuation marks are present, in some of my words, I did not type them in, this time.  And I do not approve of their use to dilute my well thought out opinions.

 

  First, if you haven't had your head buried too deep in your colon, you absolutely have to know that in every post I have made, before this one, I have specified to be careful about a type of DE that is toxic.  It is NOT a poison.  I know Jim has been part of the threads in which I posted these warnings.

  I was up all night with a pregnant pup, (not just wasting my time trying to get along with you).  So......., I was a little too tired to type my "patented" warning.  Adrenalin is making up for that, now.  You say it is in a bottle?  That would make us tend to think it was a liquid.  Is that so?  I'm always willing to learn (even though I'm a closed minded old @$$@).  Please provide a link to the product, the company that makes it, or post a picture of the label.  I'm sure the folks at the hardware store wouldn't mind.  If there is a different DE product that we need to be careful of, I'm sure everyone would appreciate the help.

  " "You don't know of what you are talking. There's the DE used to worm birds that is used as a food aditive and that is not toxic. But the DE used to kill bugs got poison had to it" "

  The DE that is "used to worm birds" also is used to kill bugs, that's one reason it is added to feeds and grains.   

 "make some research before to criticize!"

  You've got to be F** king  Kidding me !

  If you haven't been taught to respect your elders, you damn sure need to respect your betters!

  (that one's for you, slider)

  I wish I were half as intelligent as you must be.  To have learned so much.  Exactly how many decades have you been using DE to "worm birds"?

  How many decades have you been using DE to do anything?

  How many decades have you been Raising Game Birds?

  If you want to play in the big boy yard, you need to learn to eat sand, take a punch, or be invisible, and silent ! 

  You can play kid games all you want, sneaking around with PMs and texting.  But you may well get a surprise in thinking someone is on your side.  I am about as sneaky and subtle as a chainsaw, you'll know where I am, and that unlike you, will not be blown around by every wind of thought.

  All liberally educated drones give up and scurry from the light of truth.
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: frank_lap_127 on September 09, 2008, 05:48:11 PM
(http://www.aerokure.com/images/Grand/Insect%20Stop%20FOURMIS.jpg)

Funny to see how, what to say... bored? "brain-locked" you can be? Anyway, there's DE like on this bottle that got a quantity of poison in it, it says it's not toxic for animals like dogs, cats or humans, but I don't think it would be a great idea to feed your Bobwhite with this... In human case, you can try to eat the whole bottle if you want to see if it's toxic but I would personnally try and don't recommend to try...

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  If you haven't been taught to respect your elders, you damn sure need to respect your betters!

I've been told to respect the respectful people, respectless people are just of no interest.

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If you want to play in the big boy yard, you need to learn to eat sand, take a punch, or be invisible, and silent ! 
  How many decades have you been Raising Game Birds?

Maybe you kept game birds for a longer time than me, but unfortunately you'll be dead when I'll be 54 and you won't see that I will kick my butt all my life to get more knowledge than you, I'm  not even afraid to say it... It remembers me your knowledge on Golden Pheasants, I hope you were kidding...

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If you want to play in the big boy yard, you need to learn to eat sand, take a punch, or be invisible, and silent ! 

If I don't get punch I don't attack, but I'm not afraid to defend myself. If you have to give a "hit", go strong cause you won't have a second.

I have heard it's a no-end battle in each case with you, probably because you are too bored and mindless to see that sometimes human is naturally wrong and can learn from its mistakes but you seems to be so perfect that you can't do mistakes. So you are free to tell as much $h!t on me as you want, I don't even care cause you're too ridiculous.

About my bad english, you still didn't answer to my PM but writhe what I am saying in french or in spanish! When you'll be able to kick your butt in a place where there's only one language spoke and that you will learn new languages, I will appreciate to see if you can do best. Just give it a try, like MOI

Anyway, just keep in mind I've never been so direct with an older person, but your lack of respect is for sure, making me sick.

 :wink:

Frank
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: wildergamebirds on September 09, 2008, 06:06:14 PM

  Keep pushin', poodle-boy.
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: greyghost on September 09, 2008, 10:08:59 PM
Wilder, Frank, please chill. I am not a pacifist in any way, trust me! I'm 23 and 2. I love to fight, but this is not the place to do it.
 Steve and I and many others enjoy the time spent here. I have learned alot. From you Wilder, and from Frank.
 Can we agree to disagree? Cry a river, build a bridge and get over it!
 By the way I hatched 9 Coturnix Quail today, so I win!
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: wildergamebirds on September 10, 2008, 12:25:16 AM
wildgamebirds What could you spray in a building to get rid of spiders that wouldn't hurt the birds or chicks if anything? thank ya Jim

  Thanks for the picture, that's exactly what I needed.  You can be very helpful when properly motivated.

  Jim, I am so sorry.  I did not intend to suggest using Insect Stop Insecticide.  That was a terrible mistake on my part.  Can you forgive me?

  What I intended to suggest was Sevin, or Diatomaceous Earth.  And possibly using Moth Balls, or moth crystals (Paradichlorobenzene)  I mention the chemical name, because they now sell  " herbal moth repellents ".  I have no idea how safe they are, but they do not claim to repel any other insects, or arachnids.  The true Para moth balls repel ticks from hay, straw, and growing grass, so I assume spiders, and crabs would go as well (if you're man enough to try it).

  However, since Insect Stop Insecticide is (according to it's label), 100% Diatomaceous Earth, consisting of Ninety Two and One Half percent silicon dioxide, I now suggest you use that brand, if it is readily available, or any other brand THAT IS NOT INTENDED FOR SWIMMING POOL USE, and is not calcined or flux calcined.  These products, though not containing poison per se, can be toxic to mammals and probably to birds.

  The container in the picture Mister Frank was gracious enough to post, is what I have previously refereed to as a puffer bottle.  If you buy in 50 lb. bags, you can buy a catsup, or mustard dispenser from your friendly neighborhood Wal-Mart store, my favorite is at 750 107E rue.  That way, you have about $.50 US per lb., total cost, or $1 US, if you have to have it shipped.
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: CharlieHorse on September 10, 2008, 10:00:01 AM
I don't understand a darn thing on that label.   Maybe 2 or 3 words. 

Is that Mexican writing?

 :-|


I use mothballs too, for numerous reasons.  I throw them all around buildings and pens, haven't seen a snake in years.  I couldn't elaborate on any bug killing/deterant qualities. Put some in the tank of a motorcycle once, it ran like it was on NOS (Nitreous)......... for a little bit.........then locked up.   :grin:
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on September 10, 2008, 04:19:15 PM
Suspend works as well. There was a discussion on either ants or lady bugs, a while back.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: frank_lap_127 on September 10, 2008, 04:59:29 PM
Charlie,
It's not Spanish it's French.

Frank
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: Reeves on September 10, 2008, 10:47:13 PM
Charlie,
It's not Spanish it's French.

Frank

May as well be the same thing ! Cannot read both ! You are in Canada, speak the first language: English !
China shold be a second one, way more of them than french anyway ! And most items are made there !
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: Reeves on September 10, 2008, 10:53:25 PM
and furthermore, did you know that the silica in (sand) blasting is much the same as what is in DE ? And that blasting sand is/has to be used in a controled environment and disposed of in a controled manner ? (in Canada)

Look up the hazards of silica and you will never use the stuff. As I said years ago, you couldn't pay me to have the stuff on my property !

 t15
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: frank_lap_127 on September 10, 2008, 11:51:29 PM
Reeve's, take a look at that, born-francophone are a bit more than 1/3 of born-anglophone  s020
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo11a.htm

Oh by the way, it doesn't change that in Ottawa both languages are spoke and that there are many francophone places in Canada, but I think that people of my generation who don't learn english better than they do is not a great thing. However, I'm proud to speak French, it's not a disadvantage no?  s020

It's part of (most) quebecers culture. Oh well, if you listen to Lord Durham (I don't know if you ever heard of him), we were a group without culture and history (true for the first part though...). Today we got our own culture, but if you consider that Émile Nelligan (a  s53 bad francophone poet) is a part of quebecer's culture,  s53 I don't like that culture anymore  :grin:

Anyway, bonne soirée!  ^-^

Frankophone  s020
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on September 11, 2008, 03:42:07 AM
 s020 boy did this topic go way off course... it went from Spiders spider  to   Frogs a40   s020

Give'm Hell frank_lap_127  i6   I will add though, my first and only language is American English. If you want to participate in an american (U.S.) custom, learn to speak, write, and understand our language.

I wouldn't expect any less from a foreign country, from that of me, and since I have had my share of foreign countries, being in the U.S.N. I am just fine with one, and only one language, being American English.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: frank_lap_127 on September 11, 2008, 08:34:29 AM
Steve,
I don't have any problems against people speaking only one language, and I do my best to learn the ''American English'' like you are saying, but for the people who don't know more than one language, they don't have to judge people who know more than one and try to explain their mind in English when they are francophone. Does it still sounds stupid?

I received e-mail telling that I was laughing of ''yankees'' (wrothe like that in the text), what the heck is hard to understand in what I am saying, I'm not laughing of anybody, but it's only normal to judge ourself before to judge somebody else.

But I don't care if you don't speak French or another language, just don't laugh of my English.

Frank
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: CharlieHorse on September 11, 2008, 08:58:47 AM
 ::)

Yeeeeehaaaaawwwww!!!

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Look up the hazards of silica and you will never use the stuff. As I said years ago, you couldn't pay me to have the stuff on my property !

Although I have never used the DE on or around animals, I do remember what you said about it and have yet to ever use it.  I''ll have to see if I can find those threads when I get time, unless someone beats me to it.
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on September 11, 2008, 09:06:44 AM
Steve,
I don't have any problems against people speaking only one language, and I do my best to learn the ''American English'' like you are saying, but for the people who don't know more than one language, they don't have to judge people who know more than one and try to explain their mind in English when they are francophone. Does it still sounds stupid?

I received e-mail telling that I was laughing of ''yankees'' (wrothe like that in the text), what the heck is hard to understand in what I am saying, I'm not laughing of anybody, but it's only normal to judge ourself before to judge somebody else.

But I don't care if you don't speak French or another language, just don't laugh of my English.

Frank


Hey frank,

You best step back there little fellow....... I did not laugh at you about your English(typihg skills).

If you think that you are being picked on because of you English(typing skills), you have got to be mistaken. komer is in the same situation if not worse off then you.

At least komer thinks things out before he posts and his communication skills are superior to yours.

So don't get me started. I can be your best friend or your Worst Nighmare....

The only person I ever picked on as far as his English(typing), was birdlover. I have always given the benifit of doubt to the non speaking(typing)member here.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: CharlieHorse on September 11, 2008, 11:27:51 AM
 j4

Here's a pic of some stuff that I picked up at Tough Sh_ Charlies or maybe it was SLowes, anyway, I had planted some very small Siberian Elms (about 20) in a row for a future hedge row.  Some sort of micro critter decided to tear into them, so I put some of this on them:
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: CharlieHorse on September 11, 2008, 11:34:10 AM
It has to be harmless....... doesn't it?  Despite the fact that it is practically covered with warning labels of all sorts. (never read them)  :-o  Plus it says "poultry and garden" with all those nice pictures of healthy pigs, dogs, corn, cucumbers, asparagus, and the like right on the front.

 ^-^
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: wildergamebirds on September 11, 2008, 11:38:49 AM

  The active ingredient is permethrin, son, that stuff'll kill ya !
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: CharlieHorse on September 11, 2008, 11:47:47 AM
 ::)

Here it is:  http://www.thatquailplace.com/smf/index.php?topic=2549.0

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The active ingredient is permethrin, son, that stuff'll kill ya !

Yeah, but so will women and beer.     j4


 :-|

Title: Re: spiders
Post by: frank_lap_127 on September 11, 2008, 11:56:13 AM
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Hey frank,

You best step back there little fellow....... I did not laugh at you about your English(typihg skills).

If you think that you are being picked on because of you English(typing skills), you have got to be mistaken. komer is in the same situation if not worse off then you.

At least komer thinks things out before he posts and his communication skills are superior to yours.

Hey Steve,

Never said that YOU personnally laugh of me! Did I ever got a ''problem'' with you? I consider that now, so I don't know why I would try to get you as my ''worst nightmare''... What I said is that some people laugh of my english, but I didn't said you, don't take it personnally as you don't have to! :wink:

And I want to learn American English, but when you only live in a francophone environment, it's hard to be able to get the best english as possible.

Oh, about comparing me to Komer, I don't have any problem with that, I know I'm not the best, but it's just a useless comparison to me...

The only thing I was meaning is, if you don't know a lot of languages, don't judge the young who try to learn more than (I say you but it doesn't mean Steve or anybody else personnally) one language. I know my english isn't good, if some people don't want to read my texts because I'm not able to writhe as an american, well they just have to don't read and if it's so bad, well the moderators just have to contact me to say my english is so bad that they'll close my account. I won't do like another person who got trouble here by being really respectless to you and get other accounts name like ''Man of justic'' or any  s53 of that kind.

Is it okay know? If somebody is still taking it to personnally, contact me by PM or e-mails, we can even talk on phone (it might be worst to understand though!  c49) and I'll explain you what I mean.

Frank
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: Reeves on September 11, 2008, 04:10:00 PM
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And I want to learn American English

What's wrong with Canadian English, eh ?

 :angel:

Title: Re: spiders
Post by: frank_lap_127 on September 11, 2008, 04:45:06 PM
Nothing, as a Canadian I even prefer it, but it seems people won't understand me  s020

Frank
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: Reeves on September 11, 2008, 04:58:51 PM
Good point. Speaking American English would be so slow, all would be able to understand   :evil:
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: CharlieHorse on September 11, 2008, 06:16:31 PM
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Oh, about comparing me to  s53, I don't have any problem with that, I know I'm not the best, but it's just a useless comparison to me...

   s47

Good point. Speaking American English would be so slow, all would be able to understand   :evil:

You should get a load of us hillbillies!!  We can tell if you live over 40 miles away just by your accent.   I've got a cousin that lives in South Point, Ohio (Where West Virginia, Kentucky, and Ohio meet).............talk about an accent!!!    :cool:

 
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: mobe_45 on September 11, 2008, 06:31:20 PM
Haven't found any spiders to give'em. But I've given several crickets to them. Taping the attack would probably be worth some money. They go nuts! Some even attack the bird running with the cricket so they can grab the meal.
Gave a beetle to them this morning too. same results.
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: wildergamebirds on September 11, 2008, 06:56:45 PM
Haven't found any spiders to give'em. But I've given several crickets to them. Taping the attack would probably be worth some money. They go nuts! Some even attack the bird running with the cricket so they can grab the meal.
Gave a beetle to them this morning too. same results.

  The Marquis de sade would be proud of you, I know I am. lol
Title: Re: spiders
Post by: Reeves on September 11, 2008, 08:49:02 PM
Haven't found any spiders to give'em. But I've given several crickets to them. Taping the attack would probably be worth some money. They go nuts! Some even attack the bird running with the cricket so they can grab the meal.
Gave a beetle to them this morning too. same results.

Got 4 Butterfly nets at home for the Grasshopper season !
They are carnivores ! T-Rex kind when it comes to bugs !

Very cool to "train" them !
Had a BW hen that when she saw the nets out, she would talk to me (telling me to hurry ?)
Turn loose about 50+ of them in her pen, she would go round whacking (killing) them, then eat after ! Smart hen !