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Title: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 16, 2008, 03:13:28 PM
Out walking around the yard this morning and saw some tracks. At first glance I thought the Deer had been through last night/early morning. Got closer and could see the tracks were too big, so thought Moose cow & calf. But they still didn't look right.
So I followed them to the packed lane way....
Flat light and very light snowing makes for poor pictures.

Smaller one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/smallwolfdec1608.jpg)

Bigger one.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/wolf1bigdec1608.jpg)

Close up of the bigger one. Track is six inches long.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/wolf2dec1608.jpg)

Going out with my predator calls this afternoon ! They came from the NW, across the yard to the east, then headed south ......right towards the bush that holds the local Muley herd.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: citypickle on December 16, 2008, 07:36:47 PM
You have a Big POO PAT s85 s85 s85     c110  Big Kitty
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: mobe_45 on December 16, 2008, 08:09:20 PM
Looks like I see toenails on the one print. If so, I agree with you that you have either a wolf or a feral dog running.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 16, 2008, 08:19:45 PM
You have a Big POO PAT s85 s85 s85     c110  Big Kitty

That was my first thought .."a big cat" because I don't see clear, defined nail marks .. Yet it does look like there are two nail marks in the first photo but big cats don't travel in packs with the exception of lions (a pride) that I know of..

To have wolves in your backyard sounds awesome to me. Here in the U.S. (the lower 48 states (http://www.extirpated.org/9.html)) they are on the endangered and threatened species lists. In a quick search online 6 inches seems big for wolf or a mountain lion. The average size of a wolf is 4.5 to 5 inches (http://www.wolfsongalaska.org/wolf_id.html) including the nails and  3 to 4 inches for mountain lion with-out the nail marks. 

The largest wolf on record was taken in Alaska in 1939 at 175pds. I'd like to point out that the wolf in the wild, even when in the company of a large pack, is extremely fearful of people. However, many people still subscribe to the false beliefs that have been handed down for generations. Yeah I know, easier said then done.

I'd like to say Congrats to having it in your backyard !!!


Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Britton Howe on December 16, 2008, 09:36:54 PM
That would suck to have wolfs in the back yard, coyotes are bad enough.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 16, 2008, 11:10:40 PM
Funny how different people see different things in pictures like that !

Having lived all my life in remote areas of western Canada I can tell you I have seen many Wolves and a few Cougar : I know the difference !

Also not a dog.

Put some miles on today trying to get one road ahead of them so I could set up for calling. I spoke with a number of farmers that had seen the tracks as well, and all wanted them dead ASAP. This area is a farming area. Lots of open fields. Shelter belt tree lines and bush. One big river and many small ones.
Easy for them to put the miles on without being seen. However, being (mostly) farming area, they'll not last long.

The track in the picture that is six inches long includes the nails. Remember, it is in fresh snow. The only place the tracks were clear enough to identify was on the hard pack lane way, and it has fresh snow. Also fresh snow had fallen on the tracks before I decided to take pictures.
One more thing....I've seen Wolf tracks much bigger than these.

Also, this record of 175lbs you mention has to be way off base. They get bigger.

Wolves up here are not threatened. Packs are expanding all over western Canada . So much so, culls take place.

If I manage to see them, I'll get close up pictures of them  :evil:

Last tracks seen were nearly 10 miles away, this afternoon. Odds are, they were just passing through.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 16, 2008, 11:30:42 PM
 :-o

Only time that I want to see such a critter is on the TV screen.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 16, 2008, 11:42:47 PM
Not real spooky.....unless breeding season. Had lots of old timers tell me not to trust them during that time.
Two/three winters ago a young one was following the hoe I was walking a long way out of the bush. He was grabbing mice etc as the hoe spooked them out of hiding.
Wish I had taken picture of it's partners tracks.....biggest I had ever seen !
Best viewed though cross hairs though  :angel:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 17, 2008, 10:26:52 AM
I'm looking forward to your pics
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: ode2god on December 17, 2008, 10:40:27 AM
id love to see pics i had a wolf hybred one time she was 85 lbs and i thought that was big p33
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 17, 2008, 11:37:20 AM
cv
Not the biggest I've seen , by far. But shows their big feet well.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/elkhunting07024.jpg)


Oddie
I had one as well. It's sire was a lead sled dog in northern B.C.
It was 50/50 and was 185 lbs.
The owner was down in S.E. bc visiting his trapper buddy, whose German Sheppard was in heat.
I ended up with one of the pups. He was 150 lbs at 9 months old.
At the time I was living a small town. When Dakota learned to howl, it was just like a Wolf: no barks with the howl.
Funny though, each evening when all the local dogs were "talking" back and forth, he would let out a long Wolf howl......the town dogs would go silent for the night !
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: slider on December 17, 2008, 01:34:29 PM
I think that is COOL !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 17, 2008, 11:38:43 PM
Nice can for comparison!   s020   That was an American company at one time.    s47
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 18, 2008, 01:29:13 AM

  I'm not sure ode grasped what you meant by "close-up" pictures.

  Tracks are tricky.  I'm sure Reeves has seen plenty in snow.  Sometimes, tracks in fine, shallow snow (or dust) are smaller than the foot, if there is a hard surface underneath.  Older tracks in snow can grow to twice the size.
I once saw tracks across a frozen creak that I was sure were bobcat.  I slid down to look, and from shape and spacing, realized they were Opossum !

  I think your mature wolf is female.  If so, she may circle tighter and stick around a while.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: birdman1671 on December 18, 2008, 06:56:34 AM
first question did it walk one straight line or did it curve
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 18, 2008, 10:41:55 AM
first question did it walk one straight line or did it curve


I know what
why you ask this. But you have to keep in mind the area(s) it was going through.
Overall, straight. It didn't wander like a dog and the "trail" was too narrow for dog.
The big one had the right distance eating gate known for Wolf.

I know from the pictures it is hard for them to see it is in fact Wolf. But it (they) are. Seen enough to know.

Wilder....you are likely right: she don't get subtle well  :angel:
Tracks were only hours old. I went for a drive to try and get a road ahead of them. Too much talking with other folk and lost day light. Roads are every 2 miles, N-S and E-W. Along each road I drove slow to see where they were crossing. Plan was, if I couldn't see tracks crossing a section of land, to set up for calling. When I ran out of day light, plan was to continue the next day.
Next day it was dumping snow. Last tracks seen were (as the Crow flies) about 10+ miles away.
Noticed they were not traveling through too much bush. They were traveling next to, or just in bush line(s).
Another thing I noticed. Although they were interested in Deer tracks, their main interest was in Coyote tracks. Wolves hate Coyotes.

Last night was the first time I heard Coyotes "sing" since the Wolves came through.

Word is out. If they come through again, I'll be getting a phone call(s).
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: ode2god on December 18, 2008, 11:27:14 AM
little wolf dog trivia ...malamute huskys ..also sled dogs ...were created by the malamute indians in alaska by tying out sled dog males ,to breed with female wolves, the f] wolves would breed them and turn on them and kill them while knotted up. then the indians trailed them waited for them to den up and stole their pups to domesticate them...ours was a female and when we had her outside as a kid i remember my dad rescueing a few of male dogs that bred her...for that reason... shes also the only dog we had that would wait for the birds to come eat her food then kill them and eat them !
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 18, 2008, 08:20:16 PM
I'm kinda curious, what kind of dog is this wolf mixed with ? ... j/k


Did you keep the pelt ?




cv
Not the biggest I've seen , by far. But shows their big feet well.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/elkhunting07024.jpg)


Oddie
I had one as well. It's sire was a lead sled dog in northern B.C.
It was 50/50 and was 185 lbs.
The owner was down in S.E. bc visiting his trapper buddy, whose German Sheppard was in heat.
I ended up with one of the pups. He was 150 lbs at 9 months old.
At the time I was living a small town. When Dakota learned to howl, it was just like a Wolf: no barks with the howl.
Funny though, each evening when all the local dogs were "talking" back and forth, he would let out a long Wolf howl......the town dogs would go silent for the night !
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 18, 2008, 08:34:37 PM
Not mine....stole the picture from an AB hunting forum. There are several picture of this dead "dog" !

If/when I get one it will end up on the wall......
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: labmancan on December 20, 2008, 09:19:01 AM
Chev's booked for new moccasins on Tue., heard anything more on the Wolves?
Think I'll throw my 22-250 and 270 wsm in and come up 26th or so, heck fuels cheap and it's only a couple hrs. drive, maybe we can track/call some yodel dogs even.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 20, 2008, 10:10:38 AM
No news at all on the Wolves.
Was out yesterday for a drive look see.....only thing seen was a Coyote running down the road, way down the road.
Thought about trying to see if it would respond to a call......but wasn't in the mood to park and walk and hide etc in -30c weather.

Fuel ain't cheap ! All the inexpensive stuff is given to the States and we keep the expensive stuff for our own use !

How you going to us two at the same time ?  :grin:
Your 22-250 will likely be good enough ?
If you don't want them, I'll give them to the old trapper fella.

Check weather report before ......I don't like sitting in the cold unless it's over a hole in the ice  :grin:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: labmancan on December 20, 2008, 10:46:09 AM
Flying J Truck stop in Sherwood Pk. has fuel for 76.9, that's the cheapest I seen since I bought the Chev., when I fish for ice, I have a shack, heater, underwater camera..... too old to sit on a bucket in the wind now! :grin:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 20, 2008, 11:04:52 AM
My "shack" is one of those small pop ups. Has a seat when it's stood up. Trouble is, I seem to have gained a few lbs and it is now hard to get in/out of.
Need to pick up one of those ice cube tents...3-4 man ?

Not much going to be moving today....just let the birds out (well, opened the doors...they'll be staying inside)
It's -41c. Good thing it is calm !
Neighbor lady has cancer and had to take some chemo stuff last Thursday. Wife and I have been feeding their Mini horses and dog.
Think I'll leave the diesel and take the old 86 (gas) over this morning.....if it starts. May end up having to walk over  :-o
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: slider on December 20, 2008, 12:28:04 PM
WALKING   whats that?????? Driving my truck or riding my ATV or riding my mower... s20
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 20, 2008, 01:13:55 PM

I'd figure in that they move 20 to 30 miles a day, They're probably to far down the road  by now unless they have something to feed on or have taken residence near by. Near by could mean 50, 80, miles away or better. You might want to $ave your fuel and time, I'd think If there's enough food, they'll be back when making rounds in search of, at some point.

Is this the first time they've been through ? Can you tell how many passed by ?
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 20, 2008, 01:52:19 PM
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Is this the first time they've been through ? Can you tell how many passed by ?

First time. 2: adult and sub-adult.

Had two Elk pass through this morning  :grin:
First time for those as well.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: slider on December 20, 2008, 02:32:35 PM
You must be well stocked on meat..........
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 20, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
You must be well stocked on meat..........

Nope.
Haven't shot anything other than Coyotes in 4+ years.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: slider on December 21, 2008, 12:12:32 AM
OK you don`t eat meat ?????
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 21, 2008, 01:33:35 AM

Had two Elk pass through this morning 
First time for those as well.

No pictures?    s47

OK you don`t eat meat ?

He eats what she tells him he can eat.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 21, 2008, 03:41:11 AM

        is this one of yours ?

Had two Elk pass through this morning  :grin:
First time for those as well.

Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 21, 2008, 10:29:22 AM
Only saw the tracks.....so I'm thinking mine have more meat on them  s020
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 21, 2008, 10:32:57 AM

Had two Elk pass through this morning 
First time for those as well.

No pictures?    s47

OK you don`t eat meat ?

He eats what she tells him he can eat.

Just tracks. You want track soup pictures ? :grin:

Wife is a meat and potatoes sort. Not big on vegs. I have to beg for them !
Found some Snowshoe Hare meat in the freezer from last winter. Still looks good, so that's for supper to night !
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: slider on December 21, 2008, 01:09:36 PM
Reeves you ever make Rabbit sausage?
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 21, 2008, 02:23:13 PM
Nope.

Used to raise Rabbit for their meat.
Plus you watch the want/sale adds in local papers.
Look for the free ones ie: Pet Rabbit free to good home.
Call them up and tell them you'll provide it an awesome home.....  :evil:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: slider on December 21, 2008, 02:37:47 PM
I`ve done that ....
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 21, 2008, 03:01:03 PM
Some people may think this evil....I think of it as "dry" humor...

When I decided to get out of raising Rabbits, I advertised them for free.
Woman came by and said she wanted only females, as she was going to turn them loose on her farm and didn't want any young ones.
I told her all were such and good to go.
However, I didn't mention they were all bred (about 6 of them ?)  :evil:

Any time I think of it I wonder how many there now are  s020

Another friend back in about 1990 went to someplace like Thialand (sp?) for the winter. He also was raising them for meat. When he came home there was over 100 Rabbits to deal with. Most he took north of town and turned them loose. I know they were there many years later.
I can just see hunters etc seeing a black etc colored Rabbit hopping along and wondering what the heck ?  s020
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 21, 2008, 03:30:15 PM

Another friend back in about 1090 went to someplace like Thialand (sp?) for the winter.

  I "knowed" you done been lying about your age.  Didn't know it was that bad.  Watch him claim he meant 1990 !

  He can still spell Thialand, though.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 21, 2008, 03:43:30 PM
I thought I had told you I was a good friend of King Arthur ?
Merlin was quite the character as well !

 i9
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 21, 2008, 04:01:40 PM

  All considered, the old Reeves hen might ought to slack off of you a bit.  Or do you just let the wizards do your work?
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 21, 2008, 04:11:14 PM
Every 20 years old Reeves hens are culled for new younger versions.  :angel:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 21, 2008, 04:38:40 PM

  Isn't retraining a posterial pain?  Or do you have Chuck do that?
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: birdlover17 on December 21, 2008, 08:02:05 PM
Some people may think this evil....I think of it as "dry" humor...

When I decided to get out of raising Rabbits, I advertised them for free.
Woman came by and said she wanted only females, as she was going to turn them loose on her farm and didn't want any young ones.
I told her all were such and good to go.
However, I didn't mention they were all bred (about 6 of them ?)  :evil:

Any time I think of it I wonder how many there now are  s020

Another friend back in about 1990 went to someplace like Thialand (sp?) for the winter. He also was raising them for meat. When he came home there was over 100 Rabbits to deal with. Most he took north of town and turned them loose. I know they were there many years later.
I can just see hunters etc seeing a black etc colored Rabbit hopping along and wondering what the heck ?  s020

speaking about rabbits my cousin down in NC has about 80 of them, he occassionally lets them free, but in his case i dont understand why someone would want to breed rabbits then just turn them loose? I could understand if he was raising them for meat and he wanted to turn a few loose.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 21, 2008, 08:45:49 PM
birdy....seen it a number of times. One gets overwhelmed at times. No time to butcher, yet they have to go due to the huge troubles that come with pens too small.
Or they loose interest.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: birdlover17 on December 21, 2008, 08:57:41 PM
birdy....seen it a number of times. One gets overwhelmed at times. No time to butcher, yet they have to go due to the huge troubles that come with pens too small.
Or they loose interest.

yep thats true!!
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 22, 2008, 12:12:58 AM
 :-o
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 22, 2008, 09:05:22 AM
Haven't seen that one in a while !
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 22, 2008, 01:46:30 PM

  Kind of like the "Last Great Act of Defiance" from the 70s.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 22, 2008, 04:21:58 PM
Actually, I was under the impression it's older then the 1970's, looks more like Merlin's handy work to me but I wasn't around then. How ever it did seem to fit the conversation.

Any credit's belong to owensworld.com (http://www.owensworld.com/funnyimages/view-52.htm)
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 22, 2008, 05:00:41 PM
Actually, I meant "Last Great Act of Defiance" was from 70s.  This, too, may be older, but was prevalent, then.  It always reminds me of the Cambodians standing against the Chi-Coms after our feminist Congress abandoned the battlefield.


Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 22, 2008, 08:11:00 PM
Sorry, it wasn't meant like that wildergamebirds
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 22, 2008, 10:35:44 PM
OK, now that I actually managed to get last act picture attached, it will all make more sense.  I should have checked after posting.  Still don't have a real clue about when it originated.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 23, 2008, 09:11:03 AM
wasn't sure where that was going to go ... yes,  that was the 70's,  here's a few more
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 23, 2008, 09:12:44 AM
and one just for fun
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 23, 2008, 11:36:01 AM

  If you've ever seen Bighorns move down a slope, you know exactly how that happened.  There's almost certainly a steep hill behind the camera man.

  I'd love to have watched the removal.  Especially if he was still alive.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 23, 2008, 05:47:54 PM
yes, Bighorn sheep are great jumpers and climbers, one of  mother nature's natural ninga's. I've seen them in the wild on more then one occasion in Oregon along hwy 84 on the south side of the road while I was rolling east and in Colorado along hwy 70 standing in the lane I was in moving west about an hour or so away from Denver.

The terrain where the herd were standing outside of Denver is pretty steep. They were about 15 minutes west of the road signs posted about them. I was surprised with their size. They were eating very well.

As I understand it, Power lines threaten their habitat generally due to the noise, they don't like it, move out and more then likely die off. The orignal article that went along with that image/pic seems to be lost. It's showing up more and more on websites that carry funny graphics for myspace and others.

maybe it's time to get back on the subject of wolves

Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 23, 2008, 06:09:04 PM

  Was probably being chased by a wolf, when it ran across the road, jumped over a car, and got hung up.

   How's that for returning to topic?
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 23, 2008, 06:55:06 PM
If I remember right, that Sheep was lifted off of the ground when they were stringing line.
I also have pictures of a Bull Moose lifted off the ground when they were stringing power lines.
Bull Moose lived. Forget what happened to the Sheep.

I lived in Jasper Park (ran a HWYS maint. camp for them) for nearly 8 years. Sheep caused "Lamb Jambs" on the hwy all the time.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 23, 2008, 07:24:05 PM
Camp sheep. Rocky Mt. Bighorn.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/22.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/131-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/OldRocky2.jpg)

BANG ! OUCH !

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/ButHeads.jpg)

Still looking for the hanging Moose pictures....may be on my other computer...
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: greyghost on December 24, 2008, 12:44:27 AM
In regards to the last picture; I'd rather be born with sharp teeth! At least kicking a$% would not involve a head-ache! s20
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 24, 2008, 05:51:13 AM
Orginal image is on
http://www.gilawilderness.com/local/wolfhompag.htm

image is linked to the full size version
(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/wolfsign_s.jpg)





 (http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/wolfsign.jpg)
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 24, 2008, 10:05:56 AM
cv

I'm thinking the actual size foot print will differ from one computer to the next ?
Also, the Wolves that were moved to the States, if I recall correctly, came from eastern or mid way in the western Provinces. These Wolves are not as large as the northern ones.
Below is a picture of my hand on a sheet of white typing paper that is 8 1/2" x 11".
I have placed my hand in tracks that were much bigger than my hand.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/handwolf.jpg)



Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: labmancan on December 24, 2008, 10:33:54 AM
as stated, those wolves aren't much bigger then an average sized Lab., both my dogs are over 80lbs. When I was a kid, my dad got me a WolfxMalmute from Dawson City, in the FAR north. I had that fella to a vet when he was about 3-31/2, he weighed 156lbs., and  pure wolves get bigger then that!
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 24, 2008, 11:21:17 AM
as stated, those wolves aren't much bigger then an average sized Lab., both my dogs are over 80lbs. When I was a kid, my dad got me a WolfxMalmute from Dawson City, in the FAR north. I had that fella to a vet when he was about 3-31/2, he weighed 156lbs., and  pure wolves get bigger then that!

You would be 100% correct......due to crossing with a dog making the K-9 (Wolf) smaller.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 25, 2008, 10:43:59 AM
183lbs scored at 15 3/16.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/183lbs15316.jpg)
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 25, 2008, 01:30:08 PM
Holly  s53 that's huge!

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 25, 2008, 02:36:04 PM
Wow that's huge !! bet the hunter was one happy hombre ...

Your Bighorn sheep pics are really nice.



This is a 130 pd Grey Wolf in yellowstone. The image is a clickable link to USWFS. Records tell us they do get a heavier. I would think the weight of 80 to a 100 pounds and tracks (3.5 inches by 4.5 inches) is in general or an average size.




(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/USFWS_130pd_grey_wolf.jpg)

 
                                                           (http://digitalrepository.fws.gov/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/natdiglib&CISOPTR=3328&CISOBOX=1&REC=5)
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 26, 2008, 09:19:58 AM
Found this on an AB hunting site this morning. I'll post the picture and what he said.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/wolftracks002.jpg)

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I took a picture of the first set I saw this year, the snow was a bit melted, but I am 6'2" and have decent sized hands so I think its a decent size
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: ode2god on December 26, 2008, 05:25:25 PM
wow thats enough to send shivers down yer spine if you see that while walking alone in the woods  j1
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: birddog on December 26, 2008, 08:10:10 PM
Wow that's huge !! bet the hunter was one happy hombre ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The hombre  is happy that he saw that cat before the cat saw him  a34   that is one huge kitty.                   
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 27, 2008, 07:19:01 AM

The proof is in the pudding, Nice Pic's !




(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/3GreyWolvesontheprowl.jpg)




(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/img-by-brooks-tracey-usfws.jpg)
credit Brooks Tracey/USWFS



Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: labmancan on December 27, 2008, 11:58:32 AM
Now that would make for some good shooting.  c110

"wow thats enough to send shivers down yer spine if you see that while walking alone in the woods"

Not if you are carrying a rifle.  :grin:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 27, 2008, 01:08:43 PM
Back in the early 90s (not the 1890s Wilder !  t15 ) I was working in the bush near Creston BC. Had three Cougars "hunting" us (two others, in their own campers).
We couldn't go out at night without looking out every window and a good look with flash lights. Lasted three nights. Two of us saw the female jump right across the old logging road....without touching the road right of way !
That was the only time I found myself concerned with these big cats.
They sure make some weird noises !
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 27, 2008, 11:42:46 PM
Back in the early 90s (not the 1890s Wilder !  t15 )  They sure make some weird noises !

  Gee, why did you say that?

  I sure agree about the noises.  Hadn't heard anything like it, still haven't 'til a few days ago.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 28, 2008, 02:54:18 AM
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Hadn't heard anything like it, still haven't 'til a few days ago.

 ???
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 28, 2008, 07:11:13 AM
These pics have been circulating in email for awhile with different storys but I thought I'd post them.




                   210 lbs (95 kg) Claims made from Oregon state and Alberta


(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/Cougar/210_pd_puma.jpg)




                200-220 lbs (90-100 kg) Claimed in 17 states that I know of so far


(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/Cougar/garagelion1jpg.jpg)



                                                       8 inch paw


(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/Cougar/8inchjpg.jpg)



Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: ode2god on December 28, 2008, 09:20:17 PM

The proof is in the pudding, Nice Pic's !




(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/3GreyWolvesontheprowl.jpg)




(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/img-by-brooks-tracey-usfws.jpg)
credit Brooks Tracey/USWFS




things of beauty when doing what wild things should in thew wild like keeping the deer population healthy..by killing the sick and old
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 29, 2008, 03:00:49 PM
BANG BANG BANG BANG !

Four nice rugs , and saved a minimum of 108 Deer/year !  :grin:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on December 29, 2008, 04:08:46 PM
                                           

              j10 You Missed  j10



(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/funnies/Easter_Is_Cancelled.jpg)

Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 29, 2008, 04:14:46 PM
Opps !

 :grin:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 29, 2008, 04:39:24 PM
Hey cv....I keep forgetting to mention....

The old trapper fella I give the Coyote hides to was by the other day. We got to talking about the Wolves that came through.
He found a dead Deer in the ditch near his place. So he dragged it to his place and left it in the field. Idea was to smoke some Coyotes.

Next morning 1/2 (back) was gone. Not just dragged off some, like a Coyote will do : gone !
Second morning same thing, front 1/2 gone.

He didn't know some Wolves had been in the area. He does now !

He also told me a fella not too far away shot a big male Wolf. It was after his female dog. For you-know-what  :grin:
He is going to let me know if there are pups and the breed of the female.

Interesting thing about when this happens. Pups have a mouth full of needle sharp teeth at 3-3.5 weeks. So will not be hard to tell if the male got to her !
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: ode2god on December 29, 2008, 09:09:28 PM
i think your numbers seem alittle high there reeeves from what im reading they allow the hunting extentions due to over kill of predators ...so where did you get yer facts ...just curious
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 29, 2008, 10:59:39 PM

  Since they are "facts" (and I bet, since they are from Reeves, they really are factual facts) they probably came from the real world, rather than what someone 3000 miles away read from someone 2000 miles off in another direction.  But, since i have less than half a brain, I'm probably too stupid too know.

  It is also unclear which numbers you, or PETA, doubt.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: brentsquailfarm on December 29, 2008, 11:04:32 PM
Let's not get  s6 by facts . Facts are like butts we all got one. Thanks
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on December 30, 2008, 02:55:26 AM
i think your numbers seem alittle high there reeeves from what im reading they allow the hunting extentions due to over kill of predators ...so where did you get yer facts ...just curious

I don't know what it is you are asking for.
You think the season for Wolves happens to be too long ?
Their populations up here are expanding and exploding.
They actually have Wolf culls up here, from rotary and fixed wing air craft.
As a land owner I am allowed to kill any Wolf on my place all year long.
Due to this being mainly a farming area, and me knowing and having permission to hunt Coyotes and Wolves on many of the farms, I can shoot Coyotes and Wolves on their land, all year, as well.


Or are you asking about the food they require ?
One Wolf requires at least one Deer/week. This adds up to a minimum of 52/year/Wolf. You do the math.

In any areas holding the Woodland Caribou, they (Gov) is active in heavy culling, due to the sharp decline of the population. In some areas the Wolves have nearly wiped out the Woodland Caribou.

You have no idea what life up here is like, do you.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: ode2god on December 30, 2008, 11:37:46 AM
thanks reeves for the input i have been in paradise to long ...its just that there are constantly things on tv requesting funding for wildlife ...shrinking habitat and so on and theres alot of talk about predator  endangerment ...so i dont know about your area ...and i grew up in ohio til i was 12 and lived in indy too so i do know that to many predators do add up to livestock loss so ... i stand correctyed... again thanks for enlightening me
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: tweezy50 on December 30, 2008, 03:27:26 PM
Reeves,
  thanks for the info on Wolves.  I never understood what the cattlemen around Yellowstone Park were so upset about wolves being reintroduced to that area.  Now that you have stated how much deer meat they eat, (and cattle), it makes more sense.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on January 04, 2009, 11:01:10 PM
Old trapper fella was by yesterday. (same one who had the Wolves eat the Deer in two nights)
I asked if there has been any news, or any sign of them being still in the area : no. So far.

Fresh snow, so any new signs will stand out well. Whole County is now watching for sign  :evil:

This morning, due to the predicted warming, I drove through the field next to me. Coyotes (and Wolves) will travel the most easy route.
Of course, I made the track swing closer to my place  :angel:
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on January 05, 2009, 12:08:53 AM
Of course, I made the track swing closer to my place  :angel:

  Good idea, I hear they love "non-field" pheasant.
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on January 05, 2009, 08:34:25 AM
Of course, I made the track swing closer to my place  :angel:

  Good idea, I hear they love "non-field" pheasant.

You think they'll get in the "compound" ?  s020
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: wildergamebirds on January 05, 2009, 12:09:23 PM

  Depends, how fast can the Reeves hen hold up the fence boards?  Your plan might work just fine, if they stick to your schedule.  Might give you a good reason to not bid on any jobs, until they have been nailed.  (Wolves, I mean, not boards).
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on January 05, 2009, 02:36:40 PM


(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo352/cv_wildlife/Wolf-Mystery-Tree.jpg)

Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on January 05, 2009, 04:25:32 PM
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Might give you a good reason to not bid on any jobs, until they have been nailed.  (Wolves, I mean, not boards).

So, with this line of thinking, I should let my 2000ft. lane way drift in ?  i9


Watching Global Wolf right now on TV. Too bad it's the tree hugger version.  ::)

Later I'll get to watch something of interest: Battle 360 !
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on January 05, 2009, 04:58:19 PM
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The comments about a massive deer reduction in caribou Zones is quite true. The biologist, Christine Found, lac La Biche District feels drastically reducing deer numbers in the Caribou Zones will cause a die-off of wolves and increase Caribou numbers. i think the flaw in the logic is too obvious for me to have to comment further.

Found on another site. I'll try and find more info. That's what we get for having quotas for females in Gov. jobs !

Kill all the Deer, so the Wolves have no choice but to target the Caribou in full force, so the Caribou will increase !
Anyone see a flaw in her plan ?
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: cv on January 05, 2009, 06:16:26 PM
Quote:

In the Rocky Mountain Foothills of Alberta, woodland caribou are facing many industrial threats. Alberta’s woodland caribou have been in decline since the 1970s and a recent University of Alberta study warned that woodland caribou will disappear from the province in less than 40 years if current trends continue. Some herds could be lost in the next decade. The declines are a direct consequence of unrestricted industrial activity in the region, including clearcut logging, petroleum exploration and development (wells and pipelines), and the roads built by both industries. Recently two separate logging companies announced that they would defer logging activities in caribou habitat in their tenures in the foothills pending further study and recovery planning. 

http://www.wildernesscommittee.org/campaigns/wildlife/caribou/reports/Vol24No04/map
Title: Re: Not good at all : Wolves
Post by: Reeves on January 05, 2009, 06:18:41 PM
That is to the west. What she talks about is to the north.

I have a lead....I'll follow it up tomorrow....