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« on: April 06, 2008, 05:09:32 PM »

North Coastal California

I seem to be beating around the bush with various entries about different species of birds.  Here are my issues:

1.I want to offer a unique and quality hunting experience for family and friends in California that does not revolve around traditional upland species.

2.I want to offer species that are not controlled by California Fish and Game Code §3500. Resident and Migratory Game Birds Enumerated; “Game Birds”

3.Weather is hot and dry in the summer with temps during the day ranging from 70-105 degrees F, but nights can be from 30-70.  In the winter there is prolific rainfall over 100 inches with occasional snow [like this year].

4.Habitat is open prairie with heavy timber in creek draws.  This timber is managed and ranges from young clear cuts that were replanted to 120-year-old stands of hardwood and Douglas fir.  Fire is an occasional influence.

Additionally:

1.Our hunting area has healthy populations of bobcat, coyote, gray fox, golden eagles, red-tailed hawks, etc, but we have a fair population of California valley quail, blue grouse, and a few ruffed grouse.

2.I think our birds need to be tree roosting, so I have been looking into:

     Red jungle fowl
     Afghan White-wing Pheasant
     Francolin

What else would be a good option?







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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 05:53:11 PM »

So, what you are looking for, is something new you can introduce into the wild ? (doesn't matter if private or public land)
You would need a permit(s) to do so: not likely to get one in this day & age.
Wonder what the fines are for doing so ?

If I were you, I'd stick with what is out there now. Maybe work with F&W to "enhance" what is there.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 06:21:05 PM »

So, what you are looking for, is something new you can introduce into the wild ? (doesn't matter if private or public land)
You would need a permit(s) to do so: not likely to get one in this day & age.
Wonder what the fines are for doing so ?

If I were you, I'd stick with what is out there now. Maybe work with F&W to "enhance" what is there.

The permit is taken care of, but I do need to list what species I will be turning out.  So far bobwhites, huns, pheasant and junglefowl are okay.  Seems the junglefowl falls under chickens.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 11:21:21 PM »

Seems the junglefowl falls under chickens.

  That's how I always saw them.

  Probably make good fighting cocks (that would go well in the socialist Republic of Kali-fornica).  It's probably a Domestic crime to even speak the words.  I'll bet someone there will try to classify them as Exotic animals, pets, or human, in order to keep you under control, should you try to hunt them down, and murder them.  Raising them on same property with Game Birds may be asking for problems.  Check on any common diseases, with a vet with bird experience.

  What species have you raised, successfully?  I've heard Francolins, can be tough.  A bit expensive, too, aren't they?  Same for Huns.

  Keep it simple.  You are going out of your way looking for disapointment.  Start with bobwhites, the larger varieties seem to survive a little better when released.  Add Pheasant the same, or the next year.  Black Melanistics are pretty novel looking, the guys out here like them, but everything else about them are like Chinese Ring Necked Pheasant.  The same is probably true of the White Wings.  Add a few of the fancy birds after you get things rolling a little.

  Are you planning to stock these birds, hoping they will survive in huntable numbers until fall?  Or will you plant them, or release them a short time before the hunt?  If you have existing populations of game birds, your new species may have too much competition.  Your rainfall concerns me a bit, for any species that isn't already thriving there.  Pheasant may handle it better, but don't reproduce well, in some wet climates.

  Well, I'm all out of ice water to throw on your ideas.
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 12:31:37 AM »

Not 'Ice Water" at all.  That is what I need.  The wet is my biggest concern along with it going from 3 inches or rain to 2 feet of snow within the week.

I guess, I am really looking for a tree roosting bird to be safe, but I am working on the bobwhites.  Now I need a larger bird......RJF are already in the incubator, but I am interested in something else..........
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 01:50:41 AM »

What subspecies of the ring-neck is the Afghan White wing ??????????? I cannot find it in the common names at all.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 02:20:51 AM »

Solved it myself...........................


Afghan white-winged pheasant (Phasianus colchicus
bianchii)
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 10:36:41 PM »

I have been told that Bobwhites wont survive here in CA. something to do with the climate, mainly the extended heat. I have released thousands as a dog trainer at home and in the area I summer and have never gone back to see any holdovers ever. Dont know what the problem is but I havent had any luck. Try Chukar, or RNP, maybe blue grouse.
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2008, 07:28:29 AM »

What about guineas
Roost in trees
Hunted in Africa in the heat.
Don't know about cold and wet.
Lots of color variations.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2008, 06:40:21 PM »

Thanks everyone, but after a breech in some agreements I had with my old employer and finacial issues with them, I left and went to work with the Forest Service.  I am not one of the District Biologists.  We have both Valley and Mountain quail and I have a couple of protects scheduled to get Quail Unlimited involved with habitat rehab, but no exotic introductions.  BUT I do still have three male junglefowl and 9 females.  Awesome birds.
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 07:11:23 PM »


  Are they "PURE"     p33


   I tried not to, really, I did.

 
   Glad to see you again.  Was wondering, last week, where you done been to.


   Guineas would be fun to hunt, in waste high sage, or CRP.   Like Crocodile Dundee's Iguana, you can live on it but _ _ _ _ !
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 10:57:13 PM »

Guineas are good, especially with tripe and a tomato sauce..Alot of the big shot chefs on TV are into it now...I used to eat it when I was working over in the Dominican Republic.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 12:17:59 PM »


  Are they "PURE"     p33


   I tried not to, really, I did.

 
   Glad to see you again.  Was wondering, last week, where you done been to.


   Guineas would be fun to hunt, in waste high sage, or CRP.   Like Crocodile Dundee's Iguana, you can live on it but _ _ _ _ !

I cannot believe you did that! The fight is on [!] now where is Tommy when you really need him?

In all honesty, mine are crosses between SD Zoo stock taken from the grounds on two different occassions and then two commercial suppliers.  I do have a few that were crossed with Cuban fighting chickens, but I did not know that until I had already hatched them out.  I knew they were crosses, but.....

Those area actually easier to handle than the purer RJF. All in all they sure are neat little chickens! [now its my turn....lol]
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