That Quail Place Forum
Hunting Gamebirds => Shooting Preserve Management => Topic started by: moose66 on May 21, 2007, 09:13:45 PM
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Was doing some research on ragweed and discovered that glyphosate(roundup) will not kill it. Glad to find out now its hard to get rid of once you have it, rather than later. With that in mind what else would be a good choice? I would like to find something that didnt have to be replanted every year. Any suggestions?
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No suggestions from me on a perennial plant. :sad:
Although, I will add that it is amazing to me of the different plants that appear and grow by just simply mowing low and then disking, especially the milkweed (not a food source for gamebirds that I know of, but alot of them will make some cover.....Monarch butterflies lay eggs and live on them also. I've had numerous milkweed plants appear where there were none before disc. Of course I use a full size disc and farm tractor, those small ATV and garden tractor disc just don't cut it like the real deal.
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I just sprayed my corn plots (RR) with glyphosphate, and I'm glad it doesn't kill the ragweed. It looks like I won't make any corn because of the drought. The glyphosphate is doing a good job on the coffeeweeds, so maybe there will be some ragweed even if the corn doesn't make.
I have found that if you sow browntop millet it will come back for a few years. Your disc harrow is your best friend when it comes to plots for quail. If you have a field or a plot area, harrow about one-third of it each year on a rotation. Winter wheat will also come back for a few years, but, as with the millet, you will need to add a few more seed when you harrow after three years.
Mark
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Ragweed is one of those seeds simular in nature to beggerlice and partridge peas.
discing the ground helps to promote their seeds to grow.
Burning helps them better.
The disc helps quail mostly by encouraging native grass to grow in clumps. a light discing is better only running over the area once.
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Is brown top millet and milo the same thing, or two totally different plants?
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To different plants.. Brown top Millet is in the Millet family and Milo is a hybrid to sorghum. Milo growing to 3 foot where Sorgum growing to 6 foot or better.
Seed identification http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p1397.pdf (http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p1397.pdf)
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Moose I have both Milo and BrownTop Millet out right now.
I will try to remember to take a few pics if you would like.
Both are great for birds.
My Milo looked a lot like corn until it seeded out. The leaves are very similar.
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Here are a few things on my place.
The Common Ragweed just came up when we disked. No seeding required.
BrownTop Millet- Not seeded out yet.
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/DeerProfessor/DSC07452.jpg)
Milo
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/DeerProfessor/DSC07444.jpg)
Common Ragweed
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/DeerProfessor/DSC07445.jpg)
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This is not partridge Peas it is a noxious weed know as coffee bean or sickle-pod
as it grows it puts on long narrow bean pods. It is poisionous to birds.
Partridge peas are low growing and have little dark green fern looking leaves. They also have little yellow flowers simular to the sickle-pod. there pods are more like a small butter bean shape but, with very small black peas
I'll try to find some and take a picture
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AA Plantation.
Thanks for the info. I was told by our wildlife biologist that it was partridge pea. Didnt even bother to check. But after reading your post I did. You seem to be right about the name.
But is it really poisonus to birds? I cant find anthing that says it is.
I saw that the leaves were poisonous to livestock but the seeds were not.
One website said they were attractive to birds.
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SportDog,
I rode around to some places were i found the partridge peas in the winter and did not see any at all, i know that they normally are a late plant, maybe at the end of the summer i can find some to take pics of
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SportDog - that third picture looks a lot like a noxious weed up here called Tanzie (sp ?).
Nasty stuff !
Hard to kill off.
Very "pungent" when touched/pulled.
Nasty deep tap root.
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Reeves I sure hope you are pulling my leg. I cant find anything on Tanzie at all.
However what I find on common ragweed matches the 3rd pick. We will see soon enough I guess.
It should start seeding out in the next month or so. :laugh:
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I think i found some peas
it is hard to tell, they are young and don't have any little yellow flowers or pods yet. But, I Think this is it
(http://www.plantationquailhunting.com/images/partridge_pea.jpg)
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Yea I think I may have found some yesterday but didnt have my camera. I am going to try and remember to take it today.
Thanks for the clarification and picture.(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/DeerProfessor/Emotions/cheers1.gif)
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Hopefully this is Partridge Pea. Should no for sure in a few weeks when it flowers out.
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/DeerProfessor/DSC07461.jpg)
This is coming up all over the place also.
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It's very pretty also.
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Maybe its just me but I just see the RED X's
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/DeerProfessor/Emotions/redx2.gif)
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Maybe its just me but I just see the RED X's
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/DeerProfessor/Emotions/redx2.gif)
Same here!
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Hello all, sorry for the post not showing up. I deleted the posts. Sent spostdog an e-mail hopefully with the pics. For some reason I can't seem to post pics here. Trailbossusa I would have sent the pics to you as well but no e-mail registered?