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Title: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 11, 2008, 09:57:41 AM
I know this may sound crazy, but I was thinking of giving up raising gamebirds and take up sewing instead.  What does everyone think?


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Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: slider on December 11, 2008, 10:06:41 AM
I think you are on to something...I also think that you are on something.... s020
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: NH/Pete on December 11, 2008, 10:06:54 AM
Gay but maybe profitable  :grin:
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Reeves on December 11, 2008, 12:02:33 PM
Then what ?

Farm corn ?

 :angel:
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: jimmurray3 on December 11, 2008, 05:58:09 PM
nit 1 pearl 2  j41 Must be his friend Bud talking t15
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: slider on December 11, 2008, 11:56:00 PM
Its because he did not kill that BIG Buck this year.....or did he ??????? If it were me and he is still around next year I would call one of those big shot TV hunting guys and say wanna come hunt my place for 10 grand....
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 12, 2008, 12:41:40 AM
 s020    I'd let anybody hunt anything for 10 grand!

Gay but maybe profitable  :grin:

 s20  Heck Pete!.......I figured I could count on you for some advice and tips!?    :grin:

I think you are on to something...I also think that you are on something.... s020

 :-|

Then what ?

Farm corn ?

I felt that, right in the guts!!      s47

You guys got it all wrong anyway. I had planned on growing hemp instead of corn and making my own he-man britches.      Geez!...you guys are mean.    ^-^

Actually, I had thought of getting rid of the birds I have (35 BW's)and giving my ground pen a rest (me included) and to get some vegetation/plants growing in it next summer. The pen needs all the poultry wire replaced now too (only 5 years old... s16).  Figured I could kill several birds with one stone.......no pun intended.  :wink:  I may even relocate and enlarge the pen itself.

What I want to sew is webbing, not dresses!!!   I've been wanting to make work harnesses and carts for my sons 4H Boer goats for several years and by gosh I'm going to do it!!   I don't know much of anything about a sewing machine and my wifes machine that I bought her 9 years ago has never been plugged in.  :-| I don't know if it is even capable of sewing webbing or not?   I'm going to find out. Those heavy duty machines cost a bundle!

If anybody has any knowledge of sewing webbing, please fill me in.

Here's the machine, it's a "Brother" :
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 12, 2008, 12:44:45 AM
Webbing..............not dresses!!     :-|
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Reeves on December 12, 2008, 01:01:36 AM
Wife says : NO !

Says you'll wear it out real fast and be breaking needles etc.

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You guys got it all wrong anyway. I had planned on growing hemp instead of corn and making my own he-man britches.

May as well make them out of weeds.....seems you cannot shoot your corn eating Deer for some good leather   s020

 
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: slider on December 12, 2008, 01:19:07 AM
OK now we can get down to business now that we know what this is all about...Just let me know and I will PM you the name and # of a guy that sews tons of it and he can fill you in on the ins and outs...
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 12, 2008, 01:33:09 AM
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Wife says : NO !

Says you'll wear it out real fast and be breaking needles etc.

I was afraid of that, I'll have to sew it by hand if I have too.  But I have to sew something with it after dragging this thing out. Maybe some feed sacks to put my corn in?   I'd only need one!   s020

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May as well make them out of weeds.....seems you cannot shoot your corn eating Deer for some good leather  

 s020    s020   That's funny!   But tanning hides is alot of work.........unless it's one of my kids!   :evil:  s020

OK now we can get down to business now that we know what this is all about...Just let me know and I will PM you the name and # of a guy that sews tons of it and he can fill you in on the ins and outs...

Thanks slider, I'll let you know what I decide to do. I'm still kicking this around and may end up modifying a dog harness of sorts. I usually start gathering materials and tools well in advance of any project. I won't be getting the goats until april and I took measurements from the two we had last year. So I have some time to get it all figured out.
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 12, 2008, 05:40:12 AM
CharlieHorse,

Do you have this  s53 it in your county that does this?

June 30, 2008

Dear Wood County Resident,

During the West Virginia Legislative session this year, the House of Representative’s bill number 3023 was passed. This bill states it is the duty of the County Assessor to collect an assessment of one dollar on all breeding age sheep and one dollar on all breeding age goats. Owners of sheep and goats are required to pay this head tax in order to participate in the Federal Coyote Control Program. Any person who does not pay this assessment is not eligible for the services provided by this program.

These monies deposited in the Integrated Predation Management Fund shall be used by the Commissioner of Agriculture solely to enter into cooperative service agreement with the United States Department of Agriculture Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) and Wildlife Services (WS) to expand the Coyote Control Program statewide.









Number of breeding age sheep_____________ X $1.00 = _______________

Number of breeding age sheep_____________ X $1.00 = _______________


TOTAL amount sent $____________

We will send you a receipt for your records.




Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 12, 2008, 09:33:05 AM
Never heard tell of it. A friend of mine raises alot of sheep commercially and I've never heard him mention such a thing. He also has major coyote problems.
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 12, 2008, 10:30:15 AM
Never heard tell of it. A friend of mine raises alot of sheep commercially and I've never heard him mention such a thing. He also has major coyote problems.

I guess it would be worth looking into..

Oh and by the way, my one and only healthy dog left can use your quail as finger food if you want to donate them to a good cause j41

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 12, 2008, 10:32:50 AM
Oh and I also wanted to add, If I was to decide to get out of the pheasant business, I would then have to go to all the places that I had an excuse not to go to, if you get my drift.....

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: slider on December 12, 2008, 10:36:26 AM
Yea and if you have any Grouse I`ll take them.... s020
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 12, 2008, 10:49:10 AM
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I guess it would be worth looking into..

I'd have to tell them where they could stick their dollar anyway.    :grin:

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use your quail as finger food

 :-o  These are top notch bloodlines.............in case you didn't know.   :wink:

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I would then have to go to all the places that I had an excuse not to go to, if you get my drift.....

I sure do, but I've got a whole list that I can use for excuses at this point in life.   ^-^

Yea and if you have any Grouse I`ll take them....

 ::)  I can only wish that I had grouse.  Then I would have an excuse for everything.........that's what I'm afraid of......taking too much of my time.   :-|


Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 12, 2008, 10:59:09 AM

I'd have to tell them where they could stick their dollar anyway.    :grin:


 s020 that's the response I expected.

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 :-o  These are top notch bloodlines.............in case you didn't know.   :wink:


My dog wouldn't have it any other way  s020

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I sure do, but I've got a whole list that I can use for excuses at this point in life.   ^-^

That is only excuse I have left, and it is my birds, and it is a valid one as well.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm

Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 12, 2008, 11:01:38 AM
 s020 also, all the other excuses are now null and void. Do you have any extras you would like to share?

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: cv on December 12, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
What I want to sew is webbing, not dresses!!!   I've been wanting to make work harnesses and carts for my sons 4H Boer goats for several years and by gosh I'm going to do it!!   I don't know much of anything about a sewing machine and my wifes machine that I bought her 9 years ago has never been plugged in.  :-| I don't know if it is even capable of sewing webbing or not?   I'm going to find out. Those heavy duty machines cost a bundle!

If anybody has any knowledge of sewing webbing, please fill me in.

Here's the machine, it's a "Brother" :


Webbing..............not dresses!!     :-|


I'm not an expert at sewing but I do know a little bit about it .. obviously, Your machine would have to have enough power to be able to push the correct size needle and thread through the webbing with out binding up and/or breaking off. The needle would have to fit your machine and be able to go through both pieces. If all else fails, hand sewn works

I've tried different materials and snapped the needles with to thick of material, not keeping it smooth and straight and by going to fast . it takes a little practice as far as I'm concerned.

Sometimes military surplus stores carry nylon thread that might work. What I've seen has been used for tents and such. Come to think of it, It may not be strong enough. not sure though. They may not carry it any more either. haven't been in one for awhile.

Here's some links that may help a little but the don't cover the stitch, needles or machines to use.. a search in your favorite search engine may come up with something.

Harness/Cart instructions.
http://www.geocities.com/goatacres.geo/instruct.html

yahoo groups on cart and wagon goats but yah gotta join the group(s)
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cart_Wagon_Goats/?yguid=63124468

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/hoof_and_harness/

and some pictures that may show a little more about the harness's etc. From what I gather, it takes about a year to train a goat.. anyway heres the link..

http://workinggoats.tripod.com/id2.html



Have Fun !!!

Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pretty_Bird on December 12, 2008, 08:36:50 PM
Wow finally some one has a question that is right down my alley!!!
Whooo whooooooo sewing!! ya!!
Oddly enough I down sized my sewing room to create my Quail brooder room.
Let me tell you from years experience, get you one of the OLDER SINGER machines. You usually can pick them up at auctions or rummage sales for under $20.00 I HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM that I didn't pay any more than that for. Yes I know what the heck did I need with so many. Well I used 14 of them for a sewing class that I taught / teach. As the schools really don't do HOME ECONOMICS now days and some mothers want their daughters / sons (yep boys too) to know how to sew. That was my job to teach them. Of course I love to sew and I have collected sewing machines for years, I think my grand total is around 63 now.
 
 But back to answering your question. The older model Singers will sew threw just about anything you can get under the presser foot.
I've sewn Boat covers, Boat seats, recovered Capitan's seats for vans, sewn tents,
as I said even have used them for sewing Leather. I've made several wallets on my old Singer as I can't find one in the stores I liked.
 
One good thing about them is t he bobins when you have to use a HEAVY DUTY THREAD it feeds off well and doesn't bind up. True it doesn't always hold lots of thread but I have found it to work out very well, you just have to fill the bobbin more often.
 You can get needles made to sew just about anything. I've never had a problem breaking needles or wearing out the machine.
 One good thing about the older type Singer machine you can set you stitch size longer for heavy material and it still sews a good tight stitch..
Singer machines are built to last trust me I have a couple from as far back as 1918 , 1930, 1935, 1941 all the way up threw the years when they were built heavy. I really don't like the newer styles (PLASTIC) but that is part of our disposable world we live in now.
 
 Good luck, Let me know what machine you end up using.
Pretty_Bird
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: mobe_45 on December 12, 2008, 09:20:57 PM
You got a lot of sewers Pretty Bird!
Auctions are the best price for sure. Here they go for around 2to5 bucks each.
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: cv on December 13, 2008, 12:36:36 AM
Under 20 dollars ?    What a good deal !!! I've heard that older singers are the best before.

had to come back, I just remembered, needles were breaking on that machine (a singer)I used partly because something on it was loose that caused the needle to shift and hit the plate below which I thought I caused however I did get it work. At the time, I wanted to refurbish the interior of an automoblie and a few older chairs in leather along with a few other projects.

Since then, another machine took it's place and my ambition to sew went in the storage shed along with the machine, for now anyway.. It's suppose to be singer, a 1960 model, cased in cast metal, pops out of desk that turns into a table with the name  "sewmore" on it.  This sewmore was free, haven't used it yet though.

Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: slider on December 13, 2008, 08:51:13 AM
There you go CH...let Pretty-Bird make it for you... s020
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 13, 2008, 10:30:16 AM
There you go CH...let Pretty-Bird make it for you... s020

There ya go  s020

Maybe we should start a topic called:

That Quail Place Sewing Circle

I've got this old Singer 33 years, and my wifes father had it better then 20 years. My wife doesn't sew.

I've sewn leather, canvas, and other various plastics and fabrics.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm


Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 13, 2008, 10:31:22 AM
......and a close up.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: slider on December 13, 2008, 11:52:34 AM
Well CH now you have 2 choices... s020
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 13, 2008, 11:19:01 PM
Thanks alot everyone, I've gotten more solid answers to questions that I've been looking around on the web for on several occasions from all of you.

Thanks a million!    :cool:

Quote from: cv
Here's some links that may help a little but the don't cover the stitch, needles or machines to use.. a search in your favorite search engine may come up with something.

Thanks for info and those links, that helps a bunch!

Quote from: Pretty_Bird
Wow finally some one has a question that is right down my alley!!!
Whooo whooooooo sewing!! ya!!

 s020  I will be looking around for one of those machines, actually my mother has a Singer that I don't think she has used for years, I'll have to investigate.

Quote from: Pheasant Hollow
Maybe we should start a topic called:

That Quail Place Sewing Circle

You may be on to something since the gamebird interest slows down considerably this time of year.   ^-^

Quote from: slider
Well CH now you have 2 choices...

 :grin:  Yeah, I can just gather up my stuff and drive over to Pheasant Hollows and have him show me how to sew the first one.   ^-^   (I only really need one)     



Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: slider on December 13, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
They look kinda complicated to me... s47
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Reeves on December 16, 2008, 12:25:34 PM
Wouldn't a harness for Mini Horses work ?

Neighbors "pets". Chose ones showing the harness...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/FranandSugar.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/LloydSnipandBart.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/ChuckWagon.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: ode2god on December 16, 2008, 12:41:26 PM
Wouldn't a harness for Mini Horses work ?
s20 are you huntin horses ? i thought this was a huntin forum
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: ode2god on December 16, 2008, 12:45:34 PM
watch out pretty bird im under attack because i posted my grandbabies birth thell be after you next ...i was told this forum only for huntin topics ...not my idea theres ...i sew too but id be scared to mention that here your a brave girl  j2 sorry for bouncin in im glad theyre not givin you a hard time s20
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Reeves on December 16, 2008, 01:00:43 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/DerrickJB/retarrd.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 17, 2008, 05:50:02 AM
Reeves,

I think that the pony harness would be much to big to alter for goats. I have seen Large dog harness such as a dog sled harness that would probably work out better.

I tried a search on dogsled harness and every link I tried wouldn't come up.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Jake Levi on December 17, 2008, 07:17:13 AM

Steve,

go to SledDogCentral.com

Lots of the best vendors in the sport there.
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 17, 2008, 07:20:39 AM

Steve,

go to SledDogCentral.com

Lots of the best vendors in the sport there.

Jake,

I was looking for something for CharlieHorse.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Jake Levi on December 17, 2008, 07:23:09 AM


You think a sleddog harness would fit Charlie??     j45
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 17, 2008, 01:02:58 PM


You think a sleddog harness would fit Charlie??     j45

 j45

This is for his son's goat(s)..

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: wildergamebirds on December 17, 2008, 04:52:07 PM

  Charlie's built too much different than a dog or horse, except for...

  I thought of the dog harnesses (I use them for my Brittanys), but you would have to add to them.  They do have heavy pulling contests for dogs, and that type of harness would be best.
 
  This reminds me of a true story of a guy with a hairlip and a Goat Cart.
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: slider on December 17, 2008, 06:03:19 PM
They have Pitbull dog weight pulls, take a look at one of them.
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 18, 2008, 09:05:59 AM
Thanks for the great ideas everyone!  And the SA remarks, I enjoy them the most!    ^-^

Quote from: Reeves
Wouldn't a harness for Mini Horses work ?

As previously mentioned, I believe they would be too big. Plus, from what dealings I've seen with mini horse/pony harnesses, I'd have to refinance the house to buy one. Although a good (leather) goat harness is expensive too.

My goats (kids) will be even too small for alot of goat harnesses, that is why I figured I'd have to make my own. They start at 40 lbs when I get them and will be about 100 lbs by show time.

You think a sleddog harness would fit Charlie??   

 s020  I used to wear one made for a Clydesdale.    :grin:

Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Jake Levi on December 18, 2008, 09:19:37 AM


Workinggoatharnesses.com

I've got a friend out in the mountain states that raises and sells backpacking goats, and also sells back packs for them.  I'd be tempted to prefer a llama over them but the goats do carry around fifty pounds, the llamas around 80-100 depending on size and sex, the gelded ones are the best, carry the most and most even tempered.
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 18, 2008, 09:33:08 AM
Thanks Jake, I've looked at that site before.  I'll be using them for muscle toning exercises.
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Reeves on December 18, 2008, 10:19:19 AM
Chuck, I hand stitched some tubular sling for climbing equipment (years ago).
Used the wax coated dental floss. Very strong ! I'll try and remember to take some pictures for you. It may be the way to go ?
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on December 18, 2008, 10:31:54 AM
You can also stitch with monofilament (fishing line) as well, as long as the eye of the needle can accommodate the size.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 19, 2008, 09:30:10 AM
I'll give it a try, I have to gather the hardware that I'll need (buckles, steel O-rings, etc.).  This would be easier to do with a goat around of correct size. I did take measurements from the last goats I had at 90 lbs.

Thanks!!

 006
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Reeves on December 19, 2008, 09:46:24 AM
Don't work on this project when your wife is at home......it may give her ideas !
(insert Jaws music theme here)
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on December 19, 2008, 10:01:38 AM
Don't work on this project when your wife is at home......it may give her ideas !
(insert Jaws music theme here)

 ::)

No worries.  Unlike your ranch, she knows who the boss is around here and any off her ideas have to be pre-approved by the trail boss!       :-o


                                                                                              s020
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: Reeves on December 19, 2008, 10:15:53 AM
Don't work on this project when your wife is at home......it may give her ideas !
(insert Jaws music theme here)

 ::)

No worries.  Unlike your ranch, she knows who the boss is around here and any off her ideas have to be pre-approved by the trail boss!       :-o


                                                                                              s020

Trying to convince me, or your self ?  i9
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: cv on January 07, 2009, 06:08:02 PM
 s178

any updates ?
Title: Re: Getting Rid of BW's
Post by: CharlieHorse on January 08, 2009, 07:28:34 AM
Not yet, I'm still idling on this one.   I will post when I get somewhere on it.  Thanks!