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joe sangster
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« on: March 27, 2008, 09:04:15 AM »

Not having used a johnnyhouse previously , I have some questions I hope some of you more knowledgeable ones will answer for me .  How long do you need to leave the birds in the house before beginning to release them or can you begin releasing them immediately ?  Is a cock quail required for a recall bird or will either sex work ?  Is there a problem adding additional new birds to the house as numbers are depleted & if so , how is this avoided .  Thanks for any help rendered in advance .  Joe Sangster
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2008, 01:03:21 PM »

I'm not sure I qualify,  do not use actual "Johnny Houses", but here goes.

  If they have been in a brooder near the house, they should be imprinted to come back to the area.  If you start with birds from an outside source, give them a week, or two.  Releasing only a few of the covey at a time will help with this.  If you are using them for formal dog training, you won't need to take out more than 3-5 at a time, anyway.

  A juvenile male (8-12 weeks, or so) works best, as they are "mouthier".  Any Quail will work, to some extent.  The simplest way to keep him in, while you release others is to keep him in an elevated cage inside your house.  This will complicate food/water supply a bit.

  Adding birds could be a challenge.  Since I raise Quail, I would simply leave the last few out, far away from the house.  Block off the funnel, for a few days.  You could leave an exit door open for a few days, so any "victims of violence" can escape.  Or keep the few leftovers in the cage.

  At two bird dog clubs I supply, we have recall funnels into the pens.  Birds released into the field find their way to the pen (from as far away as 1/4 mile).  I have not seen any sign of fighting, or pecking, but these birds are generally from the same hatch, but have been separated for some time.  These pens are also larger than a Johnny house, 250-300 square feet.  If you release the new birds into the field, with the earlier birds, they may adopt each other better.

  I'm sure someone will chime in with more Johnny House specific information.

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 05:45:49 PM »

Thanks , wildergamebirds !  Any experience with using an electronic call as the "call bird" ?
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2008, 10:22:29 PM »

Wildergamebirds Helped me get started with my Jhouses. They work well. I did have some that just wouldn't come back in though. My dogs can't get near those lil boogers!!! One thing wilder left out that made alot of sence to me is to put them in throught the return hole.That way they have come through it once before.I raised about 300 birds last year and just kicked out the last 9 and replaces them with 186 5 week olds.My lil Jhouses didn't work so good but my 8 by 24 kept birds all winter.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 12:49:59 PM »

Re: Quail Pen Plan


There's much to glean from the following articles...

http://fieldtrialpointers.net/recent%20lessons.html

http://fieldtrialpointers.net/update2006.html

http://www.uplandbirddog.com/davis/index.html

http://members3.boardhost.com/coverdog/msg/1198765547.html

http://www.uplandbirddog.com/dogcamp/recall.html

http://www.uplandbirddog.com/dogcamp/recall2.html

http://www.uplandbirddog.com/dogcamp/recall3.html

http://members.aol.com/olbonco/Therecallpen.html
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 12:52:33 PM »

I guess my own thread on a small JH was dropped from the links I  posted above.
This 4x4x6' johnny house holds 30 bobs. The design flight conditions and promotes vertical flight daily as the birds must fly upward to the light, ledge and loafing catchpen/verenda. 
The JH itself is of a pretty basic design. Funnels at base, sun porch with ledge on top. 
From there I've tried to make improvements to the JH learning from earlier mistakes. 
I try to armour the house as best as I can from the perimeter cattle fence, solar hot wire and welded wire protective base. I'm even fooling with a Big Ben Alarm clock that when alarm is set it will lower from the key a pulley which would close up the house after the last bird is in. 
Another key component to a JH would be the catch box verenda on the opposite side of the JHdoor. The design allows you to fly birds out the other side without handling them. Or you can drop the quelletine door catching anumber of birds within, remove the box and transport the birds in a darkened cage with a miniumn of disturbance. The top of the catch box is overlapping tire tube tthat allows me to remove birds individually to band, doctor, or set up a controlled flush. 
Mirrors set beside funnel entrance shortstop birds that may want to walk around the JH base. Once stopped they enter more quickly. This photo may not show the mirrors. I've also enlarged the funnel cover metal walkup, reduced the walkups angle, and painted it with a gritty paint as some birds seemed hesitant to enter if slipping. 
Electric call device seems to improve the return of birds being trained to recall. 
Hanging PVC feeders and waterer within reduce waste and there is no fouling of water with the nipple waterers. I use them with my homers as well. The pigeons work the nipples as well as do the gamebirds. A dust box within stimulates preening behaviour to assure better plumage and strong flight. 
The beauty of the JH is that it's design makes the birds fly up to the light at the upper ledge and keeps the bird's wings from atrophy, ensuring good flights when training the dogs. It also lessens the attraction to predators that would work a open ground recall pen. 
I should ad that the JH is built uupon 4x4 synthetic pieces cut sledge like that can be easily pulled by tractor or atv to various sites. 
There's no rotting of base nor termite problems with it as well. My older models, even when raised by bricks, the base and flooring were the first to go. Synthetic wood is more expensive, and heavier but will far outlast even treated wood. 
A sign in governmental font attached to the pens side announcing that this is a state gamebird research project with my phone number as reseach biologist and asking to please not approach has prevented vandalism. 


 
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 03:42:07 PM »

Hanging PVC feeders and waterer within reduce waste and there is no fouling of water with the nipple waterers. I use them with my homers as well.

Is there a chance you have a picture of the feeders and waterers, or can you explain how to set them up.  My waterer and feeder are constantly fouled.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2008, 07:51:31 AM »

Here you go...

http://www.qualitywildlife.com/app4.asp
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2008, 01:43:23 AM »

Thanks , wildergamebirds !  Any experience with using an electronic call as the "call bird" ?

  Sorry, back when you asked about electronic Quail, I posted an answer, but was having power failures and obviously didn't get it posted properly.

  I've never used one, but know guys who have.  They seem to like them fine.  Maybe it's hard to admit spending that much on a gadget.  If you use a live bird, pick a juvenile male, they're mouthier.
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