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Our Member's Section => Off Topic Discussion and Current Event's => Topic started by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on January 03, 2009, 05:09:12 AM
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18 states so far starting Jan 1st 2009 are starting a Ammunition Accountability Act through state legislation???
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Technology.htm (http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Technology.htm)
So much for the good old days of reloading. So far, WV isn't one of the states.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Another attack on the 2nd amendment s80
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crumbs !!!what good is a right to bear arms if you cant load them? i bet the bad guys dont count how many bullets they use s176
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I expected this from the northeastern states- but the rest of the country? Thats why I have 40,000 rounds in storage!
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crumbs !!!what good is a right to bear arms if you cant load them?
::) Duh!? That's what good ole Hussein and Obiden are all about.........sure you can keep your right to bear arms, but you better be able to fire rocks and use mud for gun powder. Change!! LOL!!!
What we need here is a "purchaser". I vote for "Pheasant Hollow". ^-^
Back to melting my own lead again........ :-|
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I think this may be bogus. It shows Mo. has passed it. I have not heard cannons roaring, so something's wrong. I buy from a State senator, from time to time. I'll call him this afternoon.
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I heard this somewhere: "I say use the first 1000 off the assembly line on the jokers who would be responsible for passing any such law and see if the system really works?" end quote
They've been working on the "coded bullets" and they'll probably start with just that.
Then 5-10 years down the road, they'll sneak in the "consumer registeration" in order to purchase any ammo under some other Bill when no one is looking and the coded bullets will be the norm by then.
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I received this the other day from a vet friend.
I went to the link, and as ludicrous as this sounds, the bills to enact the restrictions on all ammo [including rim fire] is real.
An example: If enacted, a brick of 1000 rounds of .22 rimfire would cost the [average of] $30 + $50 (1000 @ $0.05 per round= $50) for a total retail cost of about $80. Reloading would be illegal ...so the shooting sports of skeet and trap will be effectively finished.
This would end the affordability to "target shoot" for most people. The only people affected will be the law-abiding citizens as the
criminals will just have a good laugh when they stop in at your house to blow you away ......'cuz they know you probably will not have a
loaded firearm available for you to defend yourself.
Brent
Ammunition Accountability Saving lives ....one bullet at a time!
The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers.
Proposed Act - Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.
Any privately held un-coded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including handloaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round!
If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!
This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama , Arizona , California , Connecticut , Hawaii , Illinois , Indiana , Kentucky , Maryland , Mississippi , Missouri , New Jersey , New York , Pennsylvania , Rhode Island , South Carolina , Tennessee , and Washington .
To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to: http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
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So much for the good old days of reloading. So far, WV isn't one of the states.
No worries steve - All you need is some lead (fishing sinkers could work), a bullet form, and you're good to go.
btw - I'd like to see them laser etch every one of those bb's in my bird shells (shot gun) s020
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btw - I'd like to see them laser etch every one of those bb's in my bird shells
They can already do this to wee tiny diamonds.....
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And if they charge for each piece of shot, what do they care?
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An unloaded gun is just a CLUB..................I don't own any clubs
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Just as I suspected. While the framework of the story is factual, it's like an empty building in an innercity slum. Windows busted out, walls kicked full of holes, and the owners/builders are still trying to sell it as a mansion. The State Senator told me that it was proposed by a gal in St. Louis, and that no one could stop her from proposing legislation, now matter it's merit. It seems that's what lawmakers do, make laws (who'da thunk). He got a letter from the jokers in N. J. (that makes since, huh? It said he really needed to support and propose the scheme. He trashed it, but it seems this (probably the only woman who is easily fooled) idiot from the city thought she'd look good. I guess the bill hit the Senate trash can about as hard as the N.J. letter hit his.
He assured me that no anti-gun legislation had a snow balls chance in hell in Missouri. That makes sense, they have relieved a lot of restrictions formerly imposed on gun owners, because of the city monkeys. Including wiping out a requirement that anyone wanting to carry ad to get a letter of approval from the local Sheriff.
If you click on the main link, then on the Missouri link, it will take you to donkey faces page on the state website. Her name is Bray I suppose the sound she makes when Legislating. If you look at her proposal, S. B. 1200, it looks as if it is already law, even giving effective dates for the law, and for the subsequent outlawing of unmarked ammo. I talked to another guy who doesn't believe the technology would really work. At least not to the extent they claim. Another skunk in their claims is that they will be able to identify many of the purchasers of the ammo right from the crime scene. Ever see "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid"? They'd need hot C.S.I.s (does not stand for Crime Scene Investigator), to suck out the bullet, on the spot.
Never mind the chain of evidence night mares. Just think of the mess on the streets.
I'm sure this is about the state of things across the country. Yes, the desire to control and screw us is real. For that, the sponsors deserve neither shelter, or American air. But the reality of the crap is pretty far fetched. Especially with the watchmen on the wall, and the internet to spread paranoia, IF it causes us to act. I believe a select few understand the real purpose of the Second Amendment. Which is why they fear armed citizens.
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I believe a select few understand the real purpose of the Second Amendment. Which is why they fear armed citizens.
....or they all understand and realize that "they" are the ones in which the amendment was meant to guard against? ^-^
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An unloaded gun is just a CLUB..................I don't own any clubs
Me neither!
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I doubt it, unless they have that as part of their indoctrination rituals. I had an acquaintance who was a Colorado Senator. (Damn, I keep some seedy company, huh)? He always carried a few copies of the U.S. Constitution, the Declaration Of Independence, and the original Co. Constitution (the latest version is too bulky).
He swore none of his peers knew the first thing about what any of them contained.
He ended up leaving public service, due to threats on his family. That was before they sent McVey to OKC, to make militias or any patriot look bad (he had nothing to do with either). Kind of like leftists a century ago, began to make being vigilant, and standing against Government Tyranny, a bad thing.
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sad thing in a poor neighborhood there are kids that have ammo and guns and they arent regulated trust me ...if they put more time into rehabing neighborhoods and quit taking away the rights of law abiding citizens thered be less crime ...isnt that why hes supposedly trying to regulate ammo ?...the neighborhood punks dont go into the store to buy theirs, if he was in touch with the real world hed know that s176
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sad thing in a poor neighborhood there are kids that have ammo and guns and they arent regulated trust me ...if they put more time into rehabing neighborhoods and quit taking away the rights of law abiding citizens thered be less crime ...isnt that why hes supposedly trying to regulate ammo ?...the neighborhood punks dont go into the store to buy theirs, if he was in touch with the real world hed know that s176
ode,
What do you want regulated. the kids or the guns and ammo..
That's why Florida was the first to put into law: The Castle Doctrine Law.
Doing rehab in those neighborhoods does nothing. The outcome is still the same.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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im sorry but idisagree if the kids were kept busy with project and not left to drift in idle hoards they get in less trouble ...they need to be taken in by guys like yourself and taken hunting and fishing ,most of them have little or no contact with their fathers and with the welfare reform act the moms are working but at the age of 12 day care ends and the streets raise them mhile the mom works ..no supervision and boredome and depression make these kids turn to bad habits ,lack of money and bad influences lead to them turning to crime to get what they want and the drug dealers know that the kids will do anything for money and with no one to stop it theyre carrying drugs and guns...i know first hand i live in one of the poorest neighborhoods in tampa, it was what i could afford ands i have no problems because the kids know i care about them i even drag them to church withg me...sorry to ramble but you asked for it p42
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Thanks for the insight Wilder. I'm not worried, other than them pricing or regulating it to the point that I can't afford or get it. If the day would ever come that I would ever have the need to use such a weapon on another humaniod, those identification methods aren't going to mean anything at that point to me anyway. It will be "game on" and I doubt there will be anybody around checking those numbers either. Me and that "X-Sniper" dude will be good friends!
:grin:
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It will also put a end to surplus ammo.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Another thought, coded ammo.
Follow me on this, Say this goes through on a Federal level, and now you have to sign for the ammo purchase, and a paper trail has started. Just like the yellow ATF forms. Since the base of each projectile and inside the case would have matching code numbers, this would be in direct relationship to the purchaser, whether it is purchased in a box of 20-50-100-250-500 rounds and up.
Now lets say, you are at the range and you let 250 round down range, and just one of those rounds made it unscaved. This can happen with FMJs, now there are others at the range using coded ammo as well, either personal protection hollow points, copper clad.
Now remember, you sign for this ammo. Your signatures along with everyone else’s signatures are down range. You finally end your range time, you pick up your brass and head home. We will assume all the other range patrons have done the same.
Two months go by and you get a call from the local copshop asking you to come down, and they won’t discuss query over the phone. Remember when you went to the range?
Keep in mind that your ammo has been coded and you signed for it.
You show up at the copshop, and you inform the desk sergeant that your are here, due to a phone call that you had receive by Detective John Doe. Detective John Doe takes you to the interview room and asks you if you were involved in a shooting, Now you are wondering what is going on, and why are they questioning you..
Are you starting to get the Big Picture here?
You may now be a suspect to an ongoing investigation, and could be charged for a crime that you haven’t committed. The Detective has the paperwork in front of him from where you purchased that new coded ammo that you sign for, and he has informed you that they have found your spent round at the scene of the crime. You have informed the Detective that you didn’t give or sell any of your ammo, and this has to be a mistake, and all your ammo is accounted for, including all your spent brass to the best of your knowledge.
Remember that day at the Range?
Well some range rat, after hours was collecting all the left brass, and the lead and ball ammo at the berm for scrap. One of your target projectiles, out of thousands of spent rounds collected by the range rat, just happened to be usable and was reload, and used in the commission of a crime.
Food for thought!
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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scary thought pheasant but good point s178
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s178
Arrived in email as is
The Prospector
An old prospector shuffled into town leading an old tired mule. The old man
headed straight for the only saloon in town to clear his parched throat.
He walked up to the saloon and tied his old mule to the hitch rail. As he
stood there brushing some of the dust from his face and clothes, a young
gunslinger stepped out of the saloon with a gun in one hand and a bottle of
whiskey in the other.
The young gunslinger looked at the old man and laughed, saying, 'Hey old
man, have you ever danced?'
The old man looked up at the gunslinger and said, 'No, I never did dance, --
and just never wanted to.'
A crowd had gathered quickly and the gunslinger grinned and said, 'Well, you
old fool, you're gonna' dance now,' and started shooting at the old man's
feet. The old prospector in order to not get a toe blown off or his boots
perforated was soon hopping around like a flea on a hot skillet and
everybody was laughing fit to be tied.
When the last bullet had been fired the young gunslinger, still laughing,
holstered his gun and turned around to go back into the saloon. The old man
turned to his pack mule, pulled out a double barreled shotgun, and cocked
both hammers back. The loud, audible double clicks carried clearly through
the desert air. The crowd stopped laughing immediately. The young
gunslinger heard the sounds, too, and he turned around very slowly. The
quiet was almost deafening. The crowd watched as the young gunman stared at
the old timer and the large gaping holes of those twin barrels. He found it
hard to swallow.. The barrels of the shotgun never wavered in the old man's
hands.
The old man said, 'Son, did you ever kiss a mule's @$$?'
The boy bully swallowed hard and said,
'No. But I've always wanted to.'
There are two lessons for us all here:
1. Don't waste ammunition.
2. Don't mess with old people.
I just love a story with a happy ending.... Don't you?
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j45 good one
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Wednesday, January 7, 2009
US Gun Sales Continue to Increase
24 Percent Jump in December Amid Gun-Owner Concerns
NEWTOWN, Conn. -- Despite a weak economy, gun sales are continuing to increase amid concerns that incoming lawmakers will institute a new gun ban on law-abiding Americans. Data derived from the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) show a 24 percent increase in firearm purchaser background checks for the month of December 2008 (1,523,426 checks) over December 2007 (1,230,525 checks). This increase follows a 42 percent rise in NICS checks for the preceding month, the highest number of checks in NICS history. FBI background checks are required under federal law for all individuals purchasing firearms from federally licensed retailers. These checks serve as a strong indicator of actual sales.
A recent poll of hunters and target shooters by Southwick Associates Inc., in which 80 percent of respondents said they expect it will become more difficult to purchase firearms under the incoming administration and congress, explains the increase in sales.
"Sales of firearms, in particular handguns and semi-automatic hunting and target rifles, are fast outpacing inventory," said NSSF President and CEO Stephen L. Sanetti. "It's clear that many people are concerned about possible gun bans under the incoming Congress and are reacting accordingly."
According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the large increase in demand for firearms has led to a shortage of Form 4473s -- the Firearms Transaction Record which must be filled out any time a person buys a firearm from a licensed retailer. As a temporary measure, ATF is allowing FFLs to photocopy the form 4473 in its entirety until they receive their orders from the ATF Distribution Center. NSSF has reminded retailers of the newly launched Electronic Form 4473 which is free and downloadable from the ATF Web site.
Final year-end NICS data reveals a total of 12,709,023 background checks reported in 2008, up 14 percent from 2007.
For more information on gun sale statistics, legislative issues and general firearm related questions, please visit the NSSF Web site at www.nssf.org -- the media's resource for all things about the firearms and ammunition industry.
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A recent poll of hunters and target shooters by Southwick Associates Inc., in which 80 percent of respondents said they expect it will become more difficult to purchase firearms under the incoming administration and congress, explains the increase in sales.
That's not the entire reason by any means, they don't want to publish or admit too the real reasons. 80% may have said that, but that wasn't the first thing that came out of their mouth.
I've had ammo on backorder since early November and there is no projected ship date either. s47 I should have got on the wagon earlier?
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Ten Good Reasons To Ban Guns
1.) Guns are used in self-defense over 2 million times a year. However, this makes the attempted crime a "non-event," which necessarily complicates the Police investigation. Without civilian ownership of guns, these Police investigations would not have been compromised. Civilians should leave crime prevention to the Police, who are properly equipped to investigate following the crime's completion.
2.) Some .004 % (4/1000 of 1%) of guns are used in crime each year. This is way too high. All guns should be banned
3.) Guns are unnecessary. In 98% of civilian gun defenses, no shot is fired. If you are not going to fire a shot, you clearly don't need a gun. This proves that the guns are unnecessary. Banning guns will prevent these unnecessary defenses.
4.) Guns cause criminal migration. In tough gun-law Washington, D. C., violent crime rates are very high. This high crime rate is caused by the migration of criminals from gun havens like Virginia. This migration is caused by the criminal's cowardly avoidance of armed householders and concealed-carry civilians. This criminal migration is detrimental to helpless unarmed citizens in no-gun areas and must be stopped. Guns should be banned everywhere.
5.) Most gun crimes are committed by inner city gangs and drug dealers. These relatively small and geographically restricted groups consistently commit the majority of gun crimes, which usually peak as turf wars erupt over Drug War changes. The best way to prevent this is by denying guns to all law abiding people everywhere.
6.) No woman needs to protect herself from rape, assault or murder. The Police will protect women by investigating the crime after the fact. Remember, Police paperwork is all the protection anyone really needs.
7.) Guns owners are disrespectful of authority. Good citizens should completely rely on the authorities. A failure to do so is an invariable sign of improper and overly independent attitudes. Failure to completely and absolutely trust and depend on the authorities is excessive democracy and sends a bad message to children.
8.) Guns owners engaging in self-defense are taking the law into their own hands. This is wrong. Only the Police and Criminals have the right to take the law into their own hands. Guns should be kept out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
9.) Children and young people should remain ignorant about guns. Real guns and real gun knowledge dissipate the fantasies created by violent video games and TV. Ignorance, once lost, can never be restored and needs to be protected. Not to mention the lost sales of all the violent movies, TV shows, video games, etc!
10.) Guns reduce people's reliance on the Police and Government. This fosters a mistaken belief in "rights". No person has the right to question authority. No person should be less than 100% dependent on authority. This is fundamental to social order. Banning guns will help to establish the Order the authorities want. This is good.
Gun Control - Simple Solutions for Simple Minds
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Good post Reeves,
Do you have a link to this source or is this from the X-Sniper?
Ten Good Reasons To Ban Guns
1.) Guns are used in self-defense over 2 million times a year. However, this makes the attempted crime a "non-event," which necessarily complicates the Police investigation. Without civilian ownership of guns, these Police investigations would not have been compromised. Civilians should leave crime prevention to the Police, who are properly equipped to investigate following the crime's completion.
2.) Some .004 % (4/1000 of 1%) of guns are used in crime each year. This is way too high. All guns should be banned
3.) Guns are unnecessary. In 98% of civilian gun defenses, no shot is fired. If you are not going to fire a shot, you clearly don't need a gun. This proves that the guns are unnecessary. Banning guns will prevent these unnecessary defenses.
4.) Guns cause criminal migration. In tough gun-law Washington, D. C., violent crime rates are very high. This high crime rate is caused by the migration of criminals from gun havens like Virginia. This migration is caused by the criminal's cowardly avoidance of armed householders and concealed-carry civilians. This criminal migration is detrimental to helpless unarmed citizens in no-gun areas and must be stopped. Guns should be banned everywhere.
5.) Most gun crimes are committed by inner city gangs and drug dealers. These relatively small and geographically restricted groups consistently commit the majority of gun crimes, which usually peak as turf wars erupt over Drug War changes. The best way to prevent this is by denying guns to all law abiding people everywhere.
6.) No woman needs to protect herself from rape, assault or murder. The Police will protect women by investigating the crime after the fact. Remember, Police paperwork is all the protection anyone really needs.
7.) Guns owners are disrespectful of authority. Good citizens should completely rely on the authorities. A failure to do so is an invariable sign of improper and overly independent attitudes. Failure to completely and absolutely trust and depend on the authorities is excessive democracy and sends a bad message to children.
8.) Guns owners engaging in self-defense are taking the law into their own hands. This is wrong. Only the Police and Criminals have the right to take the law into their own hands. Guns should be kept out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
9.) Children and young people should remain ignorant about guns. Real guns and real gun knowledge dissipate the fantasies created by violent video games and TV. Ignorance, once lost, can never be restored and needs to be protected. Not to mention the lost sales of all the violent movies, TV shows, video games, etc!
10.) Guns reduce people's reliance on the Police and Government. This fosters a mistaken belief in "rights". No person has the right to question authority. No person should be less than 100% dependent on authority. This is fundamental to social order. Banning guns will help to establish the Order the authorities want. This is good.
Gun Control - Simple Solutions for Simple Minds
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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s98
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Steve
You mean the stuff you quoted ?
It's just sarcasm/dry humor.
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WOW !!!
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All of this is very Scary, But the main thing I see is they will Have to Ban Lead to keep Crafty people from making Projectiles. Like said BBs. for shot , fishing weights ? Car Batteries full of Lead I have 400lbs of sheet Lead from my brothers X ray room from the 70's before he could rent his building. Have made Decoy weights and Buck Shot, So my point is like Prohibition, Boot Leger's are going to Prosper!!! Just wish I could make 7 1/2 shot would be set
Like all Sportsmen I don't have a problem for signing for my Hunting Rounds. Just the Hastle of paper work to Register it like our Firearms more Paper work Boo bo c109 Like when the County Me th Head Breaks in and Steals your Ammo and Shoots the Dealer, or better yet you give him Lead Poisoning at the Front Door before gets in!!
My Thought for us all is to Write our Congress Men and let them know how we feel about Criminals ( Repeat) using Guns for Crimes and Make a Mandatory Minimum for Violent Gun Crimes Stiffer Penalties. Don't Punish Me for for their lack of Harder Laws for these Crimes. I say Swing Several from the Oak Tree , put it on Fox News For all to see and they may get the Gist.
In Foreign Countries there allot of One Armed Criminals and many are missing a Few Digits.
Tough times call for tough Laws. These Pansy @$$ Judges need their @$$ Kicked into next Week to make Gun Crime Sentences longer!! not Probation or Pre Trial Intervention for 1st time Offenders. Do the Crime Make the Time!!
OK I'm of the Soap Box But Punish These Criminals the on Publick Display and See if Things Don't Change
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Steve
You mean the stuff you quoted ?
It's just sarcasm/dry humor.
ya.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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All of this is very Scary, But the main thing I see is they will Have to Ban Lead to keep Crafty people from making Projectiles. Like said BBs. for shot , fishing weights ? Car Batteries full of Lead I have 400lbs of sheet Lead from my brothers X ray room from the 70's before he could rent his building. Have made Decoy weights and Buck Shot, So my point is like Prohibition, Boot Leger's are going to Prosper!!! Just wish I could make 7 1/2 shot would be set
Like all Sportsmen I don't have a problem for signing for my Hunting Rounds. Just the Hastle of paper work to Register it like our Firearms more Paper work Boo bo c109 Like when the County Me th Head Breaks in and Steals your Ammo and Shoots the Dealer, or better yet you give him Lead Poisoning at the Front Door before gets in!!
My Thought for us all is to Write our Congress Men and let them know how we feel about Criminals ( Repeat) using Guns for Crimes and Make a Mandatory Minimum for Violent Gun Crimes Stiffer Penalties. Don't Punish Me for for their lack of Harder Laws for these Crimes. I say Swing Several from the Oak Tree , put it on Fox News For all to see and they may get the Gist.
In Foreign Countries there allot of One Armed Criminals and many are missing a Few Digits.
Tough times call for tough Laws. These Pansy @$$ Judges need their @$$ Kicked into next Week to make Gun Crime Sentences longer!! not Probation or Pre Trial Intervention for 1st time Offenders. Do the Crime Make the Time!!
OK I'm of the Soap Box But Punish These Criminals the on Publick Display and See if Things Don't Change
I have a big problem with signing my name to any ammo.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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yeah its kinda like having a checkbook full of signed checks...if one goes missing and you dont catch it ...itll cost you s176
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No it isn't.
It's like giving up all your Civil Rights, dropping your pants and bending over for a bunch of Liberal Perverts.
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It's like giving up all your Civil Rights, dropping your pants and bending over for a bunch of Liberal Perverts.)
True But Your New President is going to Breach You at the Stump and Give you A U mph and Make you Sign On the Dotted Line??? Wait till they Tax us for the Birds we Sale ? I have a Horse & Cattle Farm and Deduct Every Thing that has to do with Ag.
But I will Be Damned If The New World Order Will Own Me will ,Cook My Fuel & Size My Lead if they don't Like my Philosophy, Shoot Me Dead c110
There are Many Americans that will Stand Up for their 2nd Amendment Rights!!!
To Own a Country is to Disarm The Citizens!! Iraq is a good comparison they are still running around with Rocket Launchers if Every Camel Jockey with a Weapon was Shot on Sight We Would Be Finished with Afghan. & Iraq
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But the main thing I see is they will Have to Ban Lead to keep Crafty people from making Projectiles. Like said BBs. for shot , fishing weights ? Car Batteries full of Lead I have 400lbs of sheet Lead from my brothers X ray room from the 70's before he could rent his building. Have made Decoy weights and Buck Shot, So my point is like Prohibition, Boot Leger's are going to Prosper!!! Just wish I could make 7 1/2 shot would be set
That's cool if you're using a slingshot.........I can't get primers and powder out of corn or anywhere on property that I know of. What then? :-|
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s87
Charlie
Black Powder is easy to make, I made good stuff when I was in jr high with my Gilbert Chemistry Set,
I never tried primers, back then I did have a flintlock pistol that the powder worked well in.
Just do a little googling. Primers shouldnt be too hard.
I've got enough powder now in my storage to take that room off the house. Plus about 15 lbs of .50 cal balls, and a lot of sabots. But I do need to stock up on the rest.
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s87
Charlie
Black Powder is easy to make, I made good stuff when I was in jr high with my Gilbert Chemistry Set,
I never tried primers, back then I did have a flintlock pistol that the powder worked well in.
Just do a little googling. Primers shouldnt be too hard.
I've got enough powder now in my storage to take that room off the house. Plus about 15 lbs of .50 cal balls, and a lot of sabots. But I do need to stock up on the rest.
Those were the good old days' s020
I had the Gilbert Chemistry Set as well, and to think, I still have all my fingers too. We could have been labled as terrorist back then.
A trip down memory lane: A. C. Gilbert Company
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A 1940s Gilbert chemistry set.The A. C. Gilbert Company was an American toy company, once one of the largest toy companies in the world. It is best known for introducing the Erector Set (a construction toy similar to Meccano in the rest of the world) to the marketplace.
Gilbert was founded in 1909 in Westville, Connecticut, originally as a company providing supplies for magic (Alfred Carlton Gilbert was a magician). Gilbert invented Erector in 1911, inspired by railroad girders, and the construction toy was introduced two years later. By 1935, Gilbert was also producing microscopes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Gilbert_Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Gilbert_Company)
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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i worry more about terrorists making bombs,gas or projectile, you hear more about bombs with them than guns . anything can be projectiles even glass bottles. they are using stuff like that in the homemade bombs, not lead. it just another excuse for government control over personal lives... s176 maybe you can build a weapon out of your old erector set ,lol..use it with the chem set, steve j10
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there's always the option of home made longbows, spears, rocks and clubs
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i got some BIG dogs they work good too :grin:
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Yes Saltpeter, Sulfur & Charcoal 3-2-1 was the Formula. Lead pipe and 2 caps in a Chipmunk Hole Left a Divot the size of a 5 Gal Bucket in the Zoysa Grass, I was 13 and didn't Sit Down for a Week!! j10
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Yes Saltpeter, Sulfur & Charcoal 3-2-1 was the Formula. Lead pipe and 2 caps in a Chipmunk Hole Left a Divot the size of a 5 Gal Bucket in the Zoysa Grass, I was 13 and didn't Sit Down for a Week!! j10
That is funny ! s020
I drove my Dad nuts by , ummm , "borrowing" dynamite. Before I was even old enough to drive !
CIL "floaters" ...fun stuff ! :grin: