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Raising Gamebirds => Health Issues => Topic started by: AA Plantation on June 28, 2007, 09:56:55 AM

Title: Dewormer for quail
Post by: AA Plantation on June 28, 2007, 09:56:55 AM
I don't have any problems now, but i know that a problem should be prevented before it happens.
Anyone ever used ivermec to deworm quail? if so what would be the dose for grown birds in a 5gal waterer.
How about 3 week old chicks dose for 58oz waterer?
Thanks
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on June 28, 2007, 10:36:20 AM
I don't have any problems now, but i know that a problem should be prevented before it happens.
Anyone ever used ivermec to deworm quail? if so what would be the dose for grown birds in a 5gal waterer.
How about 3 week old chicks dose for 58oz waterer?
Thanks

Break it down by weight per adult bird. Add all the birds average weight and then add the dosage per label.

If you have as an example, 1000 adult quail and the average weight is let say or arguments sake, 10oz. 10oz X 1000 adults = 10,000oz. Divide that by 16oz.
10,000oz divided by 16oz =  625lbs.

Use 10mL (2 teaspoonfuls) of solution to 1gal of water per 100 lbs. Just make sure you use enough water trays throughout your area so all adult birds will get to drink. I do my pheasant this way and break it down for a two day treatment.

This is some strong meds. Do not shotgun the meds. Over medicating them to give then the so-called boost will kill them.

I have never tried this on chicks and I wouldn’t recommend it either. This medication is for worming Large Roundworms: (Ascaris) Nodular Worms (Oesophagostomum spp.) Lung Worms (Metastrongylus spp.) Intestinal Thread Worms: (Strongyloides ransomi)

Use Fendendazole for gape worm. The normal earthworm is a host to many of the strongyloides. Using a vet to check the fresh fecal mater is really the best way to go.

I would also suggest keeping the Merk Vet Manual as a favorite.
This does come in handy when diagnosing certian ailments.

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/mvm_list.htm
 
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm 
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: AA Plantation on June 28, 2007, 12:55:23 PM
Thanks Steve,
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: MtBullion Gamebirds on June 28, 2007, 01:04:09 PM
Yeah, thanks Steve.  That was very helpful for me too.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on June 28, 2007, 03:39:14 PM
Thanks Steve,



Yeah, thanks Steve.  That was very helpful for me too.  Great stuff.


You're welcome..

Just read the label. It is mainly a pig wormer. You just have to break it down into smaller doses. Make sure there are plenty of water trays around so all the birds get to drink and do over two days. Repeat if you want ever month if needed.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: WHITNEYPLU on June 28, 2007, 09:29:22 PM
I use that for my peafowl but it pours on behind the shoulders. Mr. Cupples of Cupples farms,http://www.cupplesfarm.com/ , sells a feed for worming. It contains Fendendazole, also known as Safe Guard, in the feed and can be feed to the birds for 3 days to 12 days as a sole feed with no weaning time. I use this on the peafowl as well and have never had any problems with low fertility. We have a wildlife perserve here specializing in exotic and endangered animals, including the whooping crane and Atwaters Grouse and their onsite vet recommends safe guard and the Ivermec exclusively on Turkey, chicken, geese, Peafowl and any other animal that might encounter worms on the ground. Also she added in thier cages they lightly sprinkle salt on the ground to drive the earthworms back down so the animals to dont come in contact with the worms. Use this method lightly as high doses will kill plants and grass. This can even be mixed in with a 7 dust when sprinkled to also help with insects. I hope this helps a little
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on June 29, 2007, 09:25:26 AM
I use that for my peafowl but it pours on behind the shoulders. Mr. Cupples of Cupples farms,http://www.cupplesfarm.com/ , sells a feed for worming. It contains Fendendazole, also known as Safe Guard, in the feed and can be feed to the birds for 3 days to 12 days as a sole feed with no weaning time. I use this on the peafowl as well and have never had any problems with low fertility. We have a wildlife perserve here specializing in exotic and endangered animals, including the whooping crane and Atwaters Grouse and their onsite vet recommends safe guard and the Ivermec exclusively on Turkey, chicken, geese, Peafowl and any other animal that might encounter worms on the ground. Also she added in thier cages they lightly sprinkle salt on the ground to drive the earthworms back down so the animals to dont come in contact with the worms. Use this method lightly as high doses will kill plants and grass. This can even be mixed in with a 7 dust when sprinkled to also help with insects. I hope this helps a little




Yes this is an alternative given the fact that Safe-Guard, Fendendazole, is in suspension. Depending on the amount of birds you have, this may be better when added in with the feed. Naturally you will have to hold of feeding for more then 24 hours, if not the birds will tend to pick instead of feeding. While this is can be used in a limited situation, water soluble wormers seem to be more progressive since the birds will drink more then eat during the warmer weather.

I have used Safe-Guard in water, but, a good agitation/mixing in a one(1) gallon solution is what I would recommend. The dose should be repeated for 7 days since the Safe-Guard will separate and lie at the bottom of the water tray and be useless.


Then again, if your birds are raised on wire, the chances of worming should be very slim. More concerns would be in the respiratory disease area being confined in a limited space.

SULFADIMETHOXINE - M-01 (Soluble) 107 grams. Sulfadimethoxine. For coccidiosis, fowl cholera, infectious corzya (http://www.cutlersupply.com/store/html/images/M01.JPG)

AUREOMYCIN - M-03 (Soluble) 6.4 oz. Chlortetracycline. For chronic respiratory disease (C.R.D.), bluecomb, synoyitis, fowl cholera. (http://www.cutlersupply.com/store/html/images/M03.JPG)

SOLU-TRACIN 200 (BMD) - M-20 (Soluble) 4.1 oz. Bacitracin For prevention and treatment of Ulcerative Enteritis (quail disease), C.R.D., air-sac infection, to combat secondary infections, stress, growth and appetite. (http://www.cutlersupply.com/store/html/images/M20.JPG)

SULMET - M-22 (liquid) 16 oz. 12.5% Sodium Sulfamethazine For coccidiosis, fowl cholera, infectious coryza, pullorum. A good sulfa medicine. (http://www.cutlersupply.com/store/html/images/M22.JPG)


TYLAN POWDER - M-25
(Soluble) 100 gram Tylosis Tartrate For chronic respiratory disease (C.R.D.), caused by Mycroplasma Gallisepticum (MG). Makes 50 gallons. (http://www.cutlersupply.com/store/html/images/M25.JPG)

AGRIMYCIN - M-26
(Soluble) 6.4 oz. 10 gm Oxytetracycline HCI per pkg Broad spectrum antibiotic, for all respiratory problems. Useful in prevention of mortality due to stress. Same as Terramycin. (http://www.cutlersupply.com/store/html/images/M26.JPG)

You can get these through http://www.cutlersupply.com (http://www.cutlersupply.com)

Or at your local farm supply or feed store.

I have used Terramycin soluble powder which is a broad spectrum antibiotic with great results when I can’t find the cheaper Agrimycin.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm



Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Pine Grove on June 30, 2007, 11:56:50 AM
levamisole sheep wormer bolus, 2 per gallon of water, let them drink one day, kills all worms common to gamebirds. nothing better for cecal worms
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Reeves on June 30, 2007, 01:12:14 PM
This topic should have a sticky. (please)
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on June 30, 2007, 03:51:55 PM
This topic should have a sticky. (please)

Who ya asking for the sticky??

Steve
Pheasant Hollow farm
Title: Re:Conversion Chart
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on June 30, 2007, 03:56:08 PM

Here is a handy Conversion Chart for medications and supplements:

1 ml = 1cc
5 ml = 1 teaspoon
1 gram = 0.035 ounce
1 ounce = 28.35 grams
1 kilogram = 2.20 lbs.
1 lb. = 0.45 kilogram
1 liter = 1.05 qts. Liquid
1 qt. liquid = .94 liter

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: CharlieHorse on June 30, 2007, 04:01:25 PM
This topic should have a sticky. (please)

Who ya asking for the sticky??

Steve
Pheasant Hollow farm

The administrator.

And thanks for the chart!
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: WHITNEYPLU on June 30, 2007, 04:01:56 PM
Steve,
 I am receiving some melansitic mutants from Mcmurray this week. How are they on pecking each other and their temperment with other chicks their same age ( ringnecks and bantams)?
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Reeves on June 30, 2007, 04:05:59 PM
Quote
Who ya asking for the sticky??

Only Larry (forum owner) can do this. I'd like to see this info saved. Many people ask & we have to go through it nearly every year.
Plus up-dates can be made. The U.S. and Canadian Gov. are always changing laws about what can be purchased. Some stuff can be purchased one place & not another.

I used to use Tramasol (sp?) it is/was a pig wormer. I can no longer buy it up here.

I have to go through my books again & see if the drugs named can even be purchased up here still.

Last time I spoke with a Vet (this past spring) nearly all the ones I named I couldn't get.

Very good topic, much good info. Also something many(new people) never think about, and something that has to be done all the time.
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: WHITNEYPLU on June 30, 2007, 04:12:39 PM
Why is it that they are banning all the products up there? and do you have products up there that we can not obtain? Man you all are lucky the nearest "bird" vet here is 4 hours away, all of them are moreinterested in cattle or cats and dont give a hoot about the birds.
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Reeves on June 30, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Have to "make" them interested.
Same here. Cows, Horses etc.

Bird ? What's a bird ?

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: WHITNEYPLU on June 30, 2007, 04:50:55 PM
I have carried a full grown peacock up to them and they say sorry but you will have to leave we dont take birds. So how you "make" them interested? Throw a hundred on the desk and ask for a table? lol
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Reeves on June 30, 2007, 04:58:14 PM
Not much you can do in a case like that !

I've been lucky in getting them interested in my birds. Tell them what species I have & give some info on sites to learn more.

Male Vets seem to care less. Look for the female Vets.
They have more resourses than we do. (schools etc)
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on June 30, 2007, 04:59:27 PM
This topic should have a sticky. (please)

Who ya asking for the sticky??

Steve
Pheasant Hollow farm

The administrator.

And thanks for the chart!

Chuck,

No problem.

Steve,
 I am receiving some melansitic mutants from Mcmurray this week. How are they on pecking each other and their temperment with other chicks their same age ( ringnecks and bantams)?

They act the same as the Ring-necked Pheasant. If you have Ring-necked Pheasant & Melanistic chicks together at the same age, they will do fine together. Just make sure that at five weeks to peep them to avoid the pecking.

I have no idea how they will react with bantams.. I have never had them together. I have hatched out Rn chicks and Mel chick along with Rhode Island Red chicks at the same time and didn't have a problem at all with them in the brooder for the first 5 weeks. Once They were moved, I gave the Rhode Island Red chicks to my neighbor. They were his eggs.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Quote
Who ya asking for the sticky??

Only Larry (forum owner) can do this. I'd like to see this info saved. Many people ask & we have to go through it nearly every year.
Plus up-dates can be made. The U.S. and Canadian Gov. are always changing laws about what can be purchased. Some stuff can be purchased one place & not another.

I used to use Tramasol (sp?) it is/was a pig wormer. I can no longer buy it up here.

I have to go through my books again & see if the drugs named can even be purchased up here still.

Last time I spoke with a Vet (this past spring) nearly all the ones I named I couldn't get.

Very good topic, much good info. Also something many(new people) never think about, and something that has to be done all the time.

In other forums that I visit, the member can post the stickys. Maybe Larry can change this feature.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: WHITNEYPLU on June 30, 2007, 05:02:53 PM
Thanks Steve. I also peep all my birds at 6 weeks old. Even the chicken roosters lol! Makes them a little nicer to the hens. Also they look like they are wearing shades which makes the kids chuckle.
Dusty
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on June 30, 2007, 05:10:32 PM
Thanks Steve. I also peep all my birds at 6 weeks old. Even the chicken roosters lol! Makes them a little nicer to the hens. Also they look like they are wearing shades which makes the kids chuckle.
Dusty

Thats cool, when they get older, you might want to go to the hoods. At the age of 5-6 weeks the peepers will restrict their view. As they mature, they can see off to the side of them. I have 90% of my birds on hood. They can only see below them. They do not have a problem finding the hens either.

This is what the hood looks like.
(http://www.cutlersupply.com/store/html/images/HD.JPG) couresty of cutler supply.

Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: dmcp1952 on May 04, 2008, 10:42:14 AM
Jeffers has a premix with ivomec in it. Will ivomec kill the capillary worms and gape worms in quail?
Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Reeves on May 04, 2008, 11:13:13 AM
I didn't re-read it all, but may have the info you look for ? If not, ask more....

http://www.gbwf.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5689&highlight=worming
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: greyghost on August 17, 2009, 08:32:38 PM
Are we confused yet?  Fleming Labs makes a product called  Wazine 17, I use it  1 oz to 1 gallon water could not be easier.  How do you like them apple's? Ghost.
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Pine Grove on August 22, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
Are we confused yet?  Fleming Labs makes a product called  Wazine 17, I use it  1 oz to 1 gallon water could not be easier.  How do you like them apple's? Ghost.

 Very easy, But not very effective..Piperazine only kills adult roundworms..It does nothing for the Roundworm Larvae(which does alot of damage in the migrating stage)Cecal,Gape,Capillaria,Gizzard or Crop worms, With Tramisole/levamisole off the market now I find for me anyways that feeding safeguard pellets/crumbles is the most effective of the broad spectrums..the others don't mix with water very well..And I dont like wondering if they are getting the correct dosage...
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: Reeves on August 23, 2009, 09:21:10 AM
First time reading about the pellet type stuff was yesterday !

At this site: http://peafowlareus.com/worming.asp
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: chukarboy on September 15, 2009, 10:13:05 AM

Reeves,

I like the name of the (Rooster Booster) stuff,  would you use this stuff? I thought you were of the mind set where mediated feeds hampered your birds own immunities or ability to build residence to diseases?

Medicated feed link:

http://www.roosterboosterproducts.com/product/50101
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: dmcp1952 on October 16, 2009, 09:04:52 PM
Pinegrove
Just wondering if you have a source for safeguard crumbles? I have been using safeguard premix for hogs I mix it with the quail crumble feed and it seems like the quail scratch quite a bit of it out of the feeders.
Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: lamike on October 16, 2009, 09:59:41 PM
Ok I can't help myself so sorry everybody. i3 c29
Yes I'm confused.
As far as the apples ghost I haven't had time to try that yet but will let you know. s020
What I do know is to trust what you know listen to what you here and live with what you learned.


Now will any of these recipes for worming kill waterfowl ?

By the way I don't know what a sticky is but this really is a topic that should be saved.
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: cpurg on August 26, 2010, 10:47:16 PM
We do all of our worming thru the feed.
It works great and it the most economical.
 chuck
ozark wings
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: dmcp1952 on October 01, 2010, 08:02:16 AM
What type of wormer are you using in your feed?
Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: Dewormer for quail
Post by: rudlark on August 16, 2013, 05:35:02 AM
Not only economical stuff but some healthy food is best and would work best for it!!