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Production and Business => Gamebird Business Aspects => Topic started by: Pheasant Hollow Farm on February 16, 2007, 10:07:51 AM
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The cost of feed
How many of you out there buy feed in bulk? I am talking at least 2 to 4 ton a month. I have noticed since Jan. 07 that my feed bill had gone up $20.00 per ton twice in Jan to a total increase of $40.00 per ton.
I was paying $238.00 per ton in Dec 06 and know I am paying $278 per ton. I know this reflex mostly on corn. Since the price increase of corn is do to the more production of ethanol for the blended gas.
How is this going to reflect your sale of adult birds, chicks, and fertile egg sales? Will you pass the total cost increase, partial cost increase on to the public or just eat the feed bill increase.
Now, how about the little guy who buys the smaller amount of feed. What is your cost increase, compared to what you use to pay, and how will this affect you in pricing you adult birds, chicks, and fertile egg sales?
Any other thoughts about this?
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I don't use any where near what you are buying, but I have seen feed prices go up about $1 per 50 lb. bag, exactly what you have seen. This has been creeping up over the past three months or so, not all at once like you experienced, but it is about the same here.
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I don't use any where near what you are buying, but I have seen feed prices go up about $1 per 50 lb. bag, exactly what you have seen. This has been creeping up over the past three months or so, not all at once like you experienced, but it is about the same here.
gsc,
The place that I get my blended feed from has held the price of $238.00 since Jan 2006. So I guess I can't complain to much. I just hope the price that I am paying stays as is and doesn't continue to climb. If they hold it now at the $278 price for the whole year, or reduce if possible, I will be happy.
I have been dealing this these people over two years, and my money is better then the rest. By that I mean, my checks don't bounce.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I was told the same thing-the rising cost of corn. Our feed went up an average of $10 per ton for the past 3 months. Two weeks ago we were paying $410.00 per ton. Scared to see what it will be when I order again this week. Last year we went through 28 tons fo feed. Something definately has to give on these prices. Between feed ($800 plus) and electricity ($600 plus) a month its extremely hard. The USPS has had trouble shipping (here anyway) the past few years on chick orders-eggs are terrific- and unless things get better with chick shipping there has to be an increase. The biggest cost overall is not electricity and feed, its the outrageous price of credit cards, interest and fees as well as auction fees. Which is one reason I wanted to get an auction site started for the community in mind.
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Just go another price increase in my feed bill by $5.50 due to the increase price of corn. Corn is now $4.25 bu. They are expecting it to go to as high as $5.00 within the next couple of weeks.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Neighbor and I order together, so that may help our prices. We usually buy 7 or 8 ton at a time.
A ton of Gamebird Breeder Layena this week cost me $386.80 (Purina brand).
It's always floated a little between orders, depending on grain prices at the time, but it's up a little more than usual.
Same goes for the Gamebird Startena and Gamebird Flight Conditioner mixes.
Obviously if you buy less than a ton, they have to split up the pallet and charge in the neighborhood of 15 cents more per 50# bag.
Regarding your original question.....I will make it up with selling more birds, eggs, chicks (increase volume) and keep the prices the same.
Are you guys buying a local mills mix or a commercial brand? Do you buy off a middle guy or do you buy direct?
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Neighbor and I order together, so that may help our prices. We usually buy 7 or 8 ton at a time.
A ton of Gamebird Breeder Layena this week cost me $386.80 (Purina brand).
It's always floated a little between orders, depending on grain prices at the time, but it's up a little more than usual.
Same goes for the Gamebird Startena and Gamebird Flight Conditioner mixes.
Obviously if you buy less than a ton, they have to split up the pallet and charge in the neighborhood of 15 cents more per 50# bag.
Regarding your original question.....I will make it up with selling more birds, eggs, chicks (increase volume) and keep the prices the same.
Are you guys buying a local mills mix or a commercial brand? Do you buy off a middle guy or do you buy direct?
I have mine made up at the local mill. I call in 1-2 days ahead of time and then they get it ready for p/c
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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We used to use the local mill as well but could only get feed in pellet form. This worked out really well as the birds wouldnt waste as much of it. The only draw back was the protein and other supplements in it. It was great for some birds like Bobwhite but Coturnix literally burned them up inside. I had to come up with a different kind of feed format by playing around with the ingredients for different kinds of birds which meant that some birds wouldnt be able to eat what others do and having two different kinds of feed on hand. Two years ago we switched over to Blue Seal and purchase that in ton increments every couple weeks. Havent had the first problem since-except a higher feed bill...
Larry
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I am Feeding by-product out of my mill.
We do stone ground gritts and plantation rice
currently i am feeding the pieces of rice that are rejected in the cleaning process.
The Stone Mill makes just as much fine scratch and meal that it does gritts.
I can't feed all i make and throw away 3 tons a month
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After trying to find a custom mill to process the waste by-product out of my mill
corn meal, bits and peices of rice, fine sratch.
In order to get the protein content up to 28% Soy and other medications would have to be added to make a grower feed.
The custom mill is going to charge $11 per 50lb.
I can buy it allready made for $9.50 per 50lbs.
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD
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Get hogs, feed em up & sell them, was my first thought.
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everything that eats here has to work.
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:laugh:
Got any land you want tilled up/cleared ?
I have a strip that is about 2k ft. long by about 40' that will be fenced off & the "plan" is to put a couple pigs in there to clear it up. Poplars, wild rose etc.
Each fall, into the freezer for one & sell the other. One or two years of that & I'll plant a pile of Spruce & Pine. Need some green here in the winters !
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Boy, do I know how you guys feel ! I have to buy a bag of grains MONTHLY! Imagine my feed bill... hahaha. Reeves, the pig idea sounds interesting... as well as TASTY ! :laugh:
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My feed went down only $.10 a pound. I was hoping more..
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Make sure you clean them out by feeding corn for atleast 30 days.
The plentiful wild ones here taste pretty good in the winter when they are eating the deer corn. Right now after eating allot of worms and other stuff they taste nasty.
The wild pigs play hell to the switch grass for some reason they root it up and eat the roots. i had to replant a 1/4 mile strip this spring
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A bag of feed here is 11.46 per 50 lbs, this is a 24% layer crumble. If I buy 400lbs or more of it at a time my feed store gives it to me for 11.00 dollars per bag. A ton is 40 bags so roughly 440 dollars a ton that way. Our local co-op here charges 578 dollars a ton to blend feed here for gamebirds, since mainly cattle are raised here and that is what they cater to. So my feed bill is getting extremely high right now. We are going thru about 2 1/2 tons of feed a month. Yet all around us is crops of corn, milo and maze hence all the grain they need to blend the food. I already had to go up to 4.00 a bird this year from 3.00 last year on my bobs, and from 2.00 to 3.00 for my cortunix. This increase transfers thru all my birds from my bantams to my Turkey.
Dusty
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The cost of everything is going up.. I dont see any relief in the future
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Well here it is September, has anyone seen the prices of feed either go up or down?
My feed price break down is now $15.40 per 100lbs based on a one ton purchase of a special blend milled.
The price of Shelled Corn per 100lbs is $12.50. The price of screened cracked corn is $15.25 per 100lbs and unscreened is $13.50 per 100lbs.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I just checked my prices they are $12.10/ 100lbs for 21% grower. Starter 28% is $13.40.
and 17% maintenence is $11.78. These would be per ton broken down.
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I just checked my prices they are $12.10/ 100lbs for 21% grower. Starter 28% is $13.40.
and 17% maintenence is $11.78. These would be per ton broken down.
Who's the manufacture of your feed and what is the break down analysis of the food content?
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Hubbard, its specially mixed gamebird feed. Mahantango GF and Martz's GF use the same feed. The starter has bacatracin and coccidiostat and the rest is unmedicated.
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Hubbard, its specially mixed gamebird feed. Mahantango GF and Martz's GF use the same feed. The starter has bacatracin and coccidiostat and the rest is unmedicated.
Do you have an ingredient label you can post?
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Not at work I dont, I have the slip saved from the last 4 tons I got last week. These have been all blended as special gamebird feed. Martz's and Mahantango had these specially made to their specifications.
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Well if ya can and have the time post the ingredients. I would like to see what their mixture is in relation to mine without the meds.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I will try and remember to dig it up tonight. The feed is very good. We have tried a few different types and liked this the best and since the other 2 farms have gone with it its easy to get in what i need.
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Thanks! I am always looking to improve on the feed.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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No problem, we go from 1-6 weeks 28% 6-12 grower 1 24% 12-16 grower 2 21% and maintenence 17%. we stay a little higher on the protein for the quail and will go down to 15% with the pheasants.
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I have the slip for the 21%. Since that is the last thing we got.
Crude protein 21%
Lysine 1%
Metionine .40%
Crude Fat 3%
Crude Fiber 5%
Calcium .9 Min 1.2 Max
Phosphorus Min .7
salt min .2 salt max .5
Grain products, processed grain by products, plant protein products, calcium carbonate, mono- calcium phosphate, di-calcium phosphate, animal protein products, lignon sulafonate, starch, salt, choline chloride, pro pionic acid(preservative) sodium selenite, biotin, maganous oxide, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, zinc sulfate, DL-methionine, Vitamin A supplement, Vit D, Vit E supplement, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, cobalt glucoheptonate, zinc ammino acid complex, manganese amino acid complex, copper amino acid complex, calcium pantothanate, niancin supplement, riboflaven supplement, folic acid, thiaminemononitrate, menadione sodium disulfide source of vitamin K. pyridoxine hydro chloride, vitamin B-12 supplement. biotin ethylenediamine dihydriodide.
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I thank you very much!
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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No problem, its definitly a mouthful of ingredients.
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Feed is up between $3-4 a ton again this week for the 3rd week in a row. I dont see it going down again for a little while. Corn and Soybeans were up again this week.
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Since its the new year what is everyone paying for feed now? Still looks like we arent at the ceiling and it will be going up more.
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$334 per ton ($16.70 per hundred) for 20%, medicated and bagged. The last starter I bought (30%) was $369 per ton, I hate to think what it may cost this spring!
I keep hoping the higher cost of feed will entice smaller land owners to plant grains, again.
In the mean time, the futures market is a good hedge. If prices go up, that will balance your losses, somewhat. If they go down, hopefully the feed prices will follow.
I just called one local supplier, unmedicated starter is now $19.25 per hundred ($385 per ton) in small quantities, so we may not be hurting too bad, yet. I can usually beat their unmedicated price with medicated feed by buying 2-3 tons at a time.
One fellow out here is supplementing, or cutting, his prepared grower feed with chicken scratch grains to cut costs, but I'm afraid that might rob them of nutrients, especially vitamin/mineral premix.
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I keep hoping the higher cost of feed will entice smaller land owners to plant grains, again.
:grin:
I'm workin' on it! As long as my 1962 MF #39 2 row planter, 1959 moldboard plows, 1972 Ford Disc, 19?? Ferguson cultivator, and my1957 Ford 860 tractor works, I'll be in business! :cool: I'm still in the market for a one row picker and gravity wagon.
Big problem with "small" farmers, is that alot of the older farm machinery is headed to China as scrap steel, it's a dirty shame, that good old machinery will be gone forever. Meanwhile, most farm machinery nowadays is built for the big boys and takes up half of my property just to park it, plus it won't run in these here hills that I live in. s47
Last 100# of corn that I bought here in Ohio was almost $12!! Was $6 just a little over a year ago!
I'm not against some sort of alternative fuel source, but in the same breath these so called experts will say that if all the crop land in the US was used just for auto fuel alone, that it couldn't run this country for one day at the rate that oil is being consumed. So it's a bunch of BS and you know who is paying for it. "RANT"
c109
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I will find out the new price when I order next week.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Hi,
Does anyone feed their birds Blue Seal feeds? Thats the brand of feed i use.
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Whole corn costs me as of this week $ 9.54 a hundred. A premier wild bird feed with the small black sunflower, cracked corn, millet and several others is $11.00 a hundred. I also feed cat kibble and canned cat food to some birds , they clean it right up. All birds get greens from the grocery store, I pick it up now once a week, as long as I pick it up they will save it for me, I also buy sqash and other stuff at the same store for the birds.
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Paid 360 a ton yesterday for 20 percent protien grower non medicated. Hubbard feed.
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:angel: The rising cost of food has gone up in the quail business also. It has jumped to a $1.00 in the last month. Right now we are absorbing the increase but since it looks like it is going to keep going up the price of the quail will have to go up this year. Unfornately it is not something we like to do but have to do from time to time. Betty
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You are talking $1 a bag correct? We are looking at $23 a ton in the last month.
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well $23.00 a ton isnt bad i would be paying $40.00 a ton if bought by bag like we have to do because we are small farm but we will be bigger in time then ill put up a silo so i will only be paying $23.00 a ton then instead of $40.00a ton like all other business we all will have to pass along incress to customers just so all of us quail farms can stay in business customers will have to pay it or they wont have any quail to hunt im lucky i guess i have very good customers i told them prices will go up because of feed electric prices are up and i must go up on prices or quit they said prices will just have to go up because they like my birds and would like to see me stay in business have a good day everyone. ihope yalls customers are like mine. Betty
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Betty
s016
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Well that $23 a ton put us up to around $310 a ton. Last year at this time it was somewhere around $220
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:x Well just went to get feed today and the crap went up another .75 per bag. It is a shame ato prices just to try to make a living off quail farming. It is to bad the little critters can't feed themselves. j1
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Well I picked up the feed today, New price $335.40 per ton. Last year, Jan 07 it was $307.00 per ton. Thats a $28.40 increase in one one years time.
They won't even let me lock in this price @ $335.40 per ton for a 6 month period even if I paid in advance.
Feed store is paying over $10.00 per bushel of whole corn. They said I should plan on another increase ($5-8) per ton within the next 3 months since the price of corn, along with the millet, milo and sorghum is increasing, and the cost of delivery.
Well if all else fails, I won't starve. Did I mention, BBQ Pheasants, Smoke Pheasants, Pheasant Soup, Pheasant Cutlets, Pheasant Fryers Pheasant Under Glass . I hope birdlover doesn't get upset s020
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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no, Pheasant Hollow Farm I won't get upset s020 Enjoy!!
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no, Pheasant Hollow Farm I won't get upset s020 Enjoy!!
How ya doing, I hope all is well on your end.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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For us small guys a jump from $0.15 a pound to $0.16 a pound doesn't seem like much, until you figure it out Xs. 2000lbs. Then she is a severe kick in the wallet. s176
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How ya doing, I hope all is well on your end.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
I'm doing ok, thanks for asking j1
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quail grower right now is $9.10 a 50 lb bag I guess that an't to bad from what I've seen so far that's $364.00 a ton if I'm adding correctly some of the prices I've seen on her would put me out of buisness sence I only sell my bird's for $2.50 each :-|
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arrrrrgggg!!!! As if prices here in So. Cali wasn't high enough already. It's now $19 per 50lbs bag at the feed store I frequent. Used to be $12.50 or something. Isn't that rediculous?
I'll be feed store hunting tomorrow! s53
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arrrrrgggg!!!! As if prices here in So. Cali wasn't high enough already. It's now $19 per 50lbs bag at the feed store I frequent. Used to be $12.50 or something. Isn't that rediculous?
I'll be feed store hunting tomorrow! s53
The birds are eating better then you are at those prices s176 When I first looked at your post I though that was per 100lbs s53
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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quail grower right now is $9.10 a 50 lb bag
That's what it was here a couple years ago.
It's now $19 per 50lbs bag
:-o
I'm paying $13 and some change and tax........about $14/50lb., in SE Ohio.
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$13 and change is what I'm paying here in NC Michigan, I'll pull that down with greens etc,
the rising feed pirces also mean next year will still be breeding a minimum of birds. Birds as in Quail, Huns and Pheasants. I also have my Chantecler chickens and two varieties of Old English Game Bantams. The later though just 3-4 trios of each.
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Prices out today $311 17% quail and chukar winterizer.
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50lbs 0f 17% laying pellets = $12.05 Today
50lbs of Oyster shell = $14.65
The Oyster shell comes all the way from Petaluma Cali. right across the street from my uncles old house!
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Whole corn is still under $10 a hundred so thats under $20 a ton, birdseed mix is still doable, mix in small sunflower and millet and its doable here. I will also be supplementing a LOT with greens from the local grocery and throw in a few heads of lettuce.
For those who havent, check out the posts by 'Resolution' aka Kermit on gbwf.org, he knows his biz on feeding the Pheasant family. And other birds.
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Whole corn is still under $10 a hundred so thats under $20 a ton, birdseed mix is still doable, mix in small sunflower and millet and its doable here. I will also be supplementing a LOT with greens from the local grocery and throw in a few heads of lettuce.
For those who havent, check out the posts by 'Resolution' aka Kermit on gbwf.org, he knows his biz on feeding the Pheasant family. And other birds.
Jake,
Are you saying that the whole corn per bagged is under a $10.00 per hundred pounds or under $10.00 per 100 lbs based on purchases for 1 ton or more in whole corn?
I am paying just over $10.00 per 100 lbs when mixed with my feed. I don't just by whole corn by the ton.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Hi Steve
thats when I pick it up by the hundred, usually get a couple hundred at a time, most goes to feed wild birds.
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feed here today is $10.20 a 50lb bag still going up back in the summer it was $7.45 a 50lb bag that's making feed go up $2.75 a 50lb bag seance mid summer is there no end in sight s176
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Jumped up to $14.65 / 50lb. when I bought some yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! s53
This is getting out of hand. Total c109!!!!!!!!!
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we just got feed from purina delivered at a price of 875.00 for 3 ton blown in. this is 19% flight conditioner. this comes out to 291/ton. it went up 15 dollars a ton from last time they delivered.which is 14.55 a hundred. charliehorse we get our feed out of ohio i think it comes from massilon,oh. that is where the mill is.why don't you check on feed there.
Lenny
Sugar Run Gamebirds
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Thanks, but it would cost me more in fuel and time than it would be worth. About a 150 miles away from me. Most of the mills around here have closed there doors, the last one closed about a year ago. Too many middlemen in the feed business.
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Jumped up to $14.65 / 50lb. when I bought some yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! s53
This is getting out of hand. Total c109!!!!!!!!!
Total c109 I concur, I guess if you want to play, you have to pay.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I must say, I have no idea what the prices are here. When I need feed, I just pick it up without even looking or taking note of the price. Also more often than not, the wife picks it up.
Having just a few birds, they don't use much anyway.
I still have to try and remember to see the guy up the road that has a seed sorting place. I want to find out what he does with the "garbage" seeds taken out of grain crops.
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Anyone have an idea or know the reason for the rise in feed cost?
Is it Global Warming?
Is it the War in Iraq?
Is it because the Polar bears going extinct?
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Please share your thoughts.
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bio-diesel
cost of fuel etc to produce it as well
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.....plus, they've put all the smaller farmers out of business, so they can just name their price.
Can't run down to your farmer neighbor or to the other end of the county and buy grain/eggs/vegetables/beef/hay/etc./etc. anymore, he isn't around. :-|
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ditto on the bio fuel, the country is growing almost twice the amount of corn now as a decade ago for ethanol and it still isnt enough,
add in the increased cost of fuel to grow, store and process grain and there's your increase.
Whole corn went from 9.40 a hundred to 10 a hundred at my Amish feedstore, I'll continue to trade with him as his other grains are less then the compitition and he is very willing to order thin I want.
In 2010 two Japanese auto companys are introducing in the US high mileage getting hybrids, one uses lithium batterys that can be recharged in 15 mins,
I am REALLY hoping this gives Detroit a lot of competition and much to think about to get their heads out of their butts,
it'll also be nice to see the oil sheiks looking at sand and wondering how it will taste. t15
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s6
GM has already outdone the Japs in that department, especially since GM owns a good portion of foreign companies.
Maybe the US citizens will get their heads out of their butts someday and quit buying the Japanese junk and believing all the propaganda. I own a Toyota Wheelbarrow now that has 200,000 miles on it. The ride stinks, it can't get out of it's own road, it gets 18 mph (tops), it is constant need of repair (it is babied), it needs front and rear bumpers (for the third time) and a couple fenders, quarter panels, and has mechanical and ignition repairs several times. If I where to use it like I have my GM's (in which is impossible), it would have been scrap many miles ago. I also owned a Full size 1984 Chevy 1/2 ton with 38 tires on it, worked the s53 out of it, got 18 mpg, off roading many times, 269,000 miles later, I never touched it, not even as much as a U-joint.....drove it for 10 years, sold it for more than I gave for it, it's still on the road today. Full size Oldsmobiles, Cadillacs, Buicks have been getting close to 30 mpg for years and very dependable, powerfull and luxurious. I now also own a GMC 2500HD........20 mpg and will haul a whole semi load of Toylets around like they're not there. Leased new 2004 Honda (big mistake), first 2 weeks....upolstery looked like old pair of socks, uncomfortable seats and cheap, cheap, cheap, road noise was incredible, needed extensive repairs to the undercarriage and needed tires before 21,000 miles, 18 mpg, I couldn't wait to give it back., horse drawn carriages didn't make much more noise than that HONDA did. Now have GMC Envoy that is ten times the automobile that HONDA could only wish it where and the same fuel mileage and better dependability and versatility. Try pulling a trailer with a Hondog. I've owned about all of them at one time or another....... Subarus, Volkwagens, Oldsmobile, Plymouths, Nissan, Toyotas, Ford, Lincoln, Cadillac, Mazda, Datsun, Austin Healey, GMC, Chevrolet, Willy's Jeep, Honda, etc.
Wake up US Americans!!
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My last truck before my present F150 was a GMC 4WD, I got sued by 3 gas stations for its sucking the gas pumps out of the ground when driving by, I sold it, drove a little chevy S10 for awhile, got this Ford and gave the S10 to my son. This only gets 16mpg max, but, it is hell on busting drifts to get out of the drive and to the main road. I'd love to have the little Nissan I had in S Africa, it got over 30mpg, but didnt have 4 WD, could almost drive under a tall elephant with it. Never saw one of them in the US.
I've never has a Honda but my sister got over 260,000 miles on theirs.
I am waiting for a decent hybrid truck, with 4WD, hopefully that will be the last one I need.
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Charlie
I saw this on yahoo news when I logged back in,
sounds promising, but got a long ways to go, one Japanese vehicle gets over a 100 miles to the gallon. Still, this is looking better then what is available now.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080203/auto_show_hybrid_trucks.html
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s6
one Japanese vehicle gets over a 100 miles to the gallon.
Hey Jake,
There are alot of American made vehicles that are sold overseas that have gotten 50-100 mpg for years........diesel powered (not sold in the US) (Illegal). Can't sell a diesel in California, but it's ok to run across the border to another state and buy one and bring it back.!? That makes alot of sense. They are not available in this country for $$$$/political reasons. Anyone who thinks that GM (biggest company in the world) doesn't have a say in oil, doesn't have a clue. That's kinda like saying that the electric companies don't have anything to do with coal companies (they own all of them). If everyone got 50 mpg tomorrow.....we would be paying $10.00+ a gallon. They're going to make a specified amount of money no matter what. So if anyone thinks that they are going to save $$ by getting 50-100 miles per gallon.......think again. In the end, it will be about saving the enviroment and the oil for neccessities (food, military, the rich, etc.).......not about saving individuals $$$$. They'll get their money one way or another. I guess that maybe that's why I get bent out of shape when I hear garbage about how good Hondogs and Toylets are compared to American autos, GM has owned interest in Toylet since around 1980......there's more to it than we'll ever know........and they make sure it stays that way. The fact is that the last country with the last barrel of oil.......is the winner!...regardless of how they got it.
Yeah, It's possible that the "bio-fuels" play a part in the rising cost of feed, at least that is what the politically influenced media wants everyone to believe. Although it is a fact that if all the available crop land in the world where used for "bio-fuels" alone, it wouldn't be a drop in the tanker compared to how much petroleum is being consumed on a daily basis. We're just spinning our wheels in that department.
Big business owned farms have lobbied for years for "rules and regulations" (fancy words for laws) that are imposed on themselves in which they can afford to comply, thus pushing the smaller farmer out of business. Now who has the say so in the price of grain? As I've mentioned before, I can't go to the farm down the road and get 100# of corn from him at an honest price.........his doors are closed and his fields are saplings.................it's all around me. I've witnessed this very scenario play out with plumbing and electrician licenses (fancy word for tax) in the State of Ohio. New Rules and Regs (laws/tax) imposed under the cover of "protecting the consumer", ultimately putting the little guy under besause he cannot afford to keep up. Otherwise known as a monopoly.
Something is going to happen.........it has too, one way or another. The clock is ticking.
Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy...........
Think of a computer virus..........
I am a computer/software manufacturer, I know more about computers than anyone. There is no better way to insure my security and sales than to destroy computers worldwide and nobody knows where it came from.
......think about it. ^-^
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I'm not promoting this, just thought that it was interesting:
There's corn in that?
• Of 10,000 items in a typical grocery store, at least 2,500 use corn in some form during production or processing.
• Your bacon and egg breakfast, glass of milk at lunch, or hamburger for supper were all produced with US corn.
• Besides food for human and livestock consumption, corn is used in paint, paper products, cosmetics, tires, fuel, plastics, textiles, explosives, and wallboard – among other things.
• In the US, corn leads all other crops in value and volume of production – more than double that of any other crop.
• Corn is America's chief crop export, with total bushels exported exceeding total bushels used domestically for food, seed, and industrial purposes.
Corn requires more fertilizers and pesticides than other crops. It takes the equivalent of half a gallon of gasoline to grow every bushel of corn. [Almost] everything we do to protect our oil supply ... is a cost of that burger.
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What's whole corn going for in your area?
I haven't bought any since last October and it was almost $12 for a 100# then at the feed store. I'm thinking that it was almost $4 a bushel on the market then? So they had about $8 in a 100# and was selling it for $12.
I was just told this evening that the market is paying the farmer $5 and some change per bushel (56#). That's about $11 a 100# that they're paying the farmer!!! So what does a 100# go for at your feed store today? $15....$16??? :-o I could buy 300# a couple years ago for that!!! :x
I think every practically every company out there is using this fuel price thing as a cover to really jack the prices of everything through the roof. I can see things going up some, but some stuff has really gotten stupid. Box of spaghetti one year ago was .50 cents, now it's a $1.00. Price of fuel hasn't doubled........we're being railroaded to a certain degree on everything. s47 I'm going to have to get a team of goats to pull my corn planter, horses and ox eat too much and require too much, plus the goats could mow the lawn when not working. ^-^ Maybe milk a couple too?
s020
A little trivia:
*A bushel of corn will sweeten more than 400 cans of soda or produce 1.5 pounds of corn oil!
*A bushel of corn fed to livestock produces 6 pounds of beef, 13 pounds of pork, 20 pounds of chicken, or 28 pounds of catfish.
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What's whole corn going for in your area?
I haven't bought any since last October and it was almost $12 for a 100# then at the feed store. I'm thinking that it was almost $4 a bushel on the market then? So they had about $8 in a 100# and was selling it for $12.
I was just told this evening that the market is paying the farmer $5 and some change per bushel (56#). That's about $11 a 100# that they're paying the farmer!!! So what does a 100# go for at your feed store today? $15....$16??? :-o I could buy 300# a couple years ago for that!!! :x
I think every practically every company out there is using this fuel price thing as a cover to really jack the prices of everything through the roof. I can see things going up some, but some stuff has really gotten stupid. Box of spaghetti one year ago was .50 cents, now it's a $1.00. Price of fuel hasn't doubled........we're being railroaded to a certain degree on everything. s47 I'm going to have to get a team of goats to pull my corn planter, horses and ox eat too much and require too much, plus the goats could mow the lawn when not working. ^-^ Maybe milk a couple too?
s020
A little trivia:
*A bushel of corn will sweeten more than 400 cans of soda or produce 1.5 pounds of corn oil!
*A bushel of corn fed to livestock produces 6 pounds of beef, 13 pounds of pork, 20 pounds of chicken, or 28 pounds of catfish.
CharlieHorse,
I really don't know what they are getting per hundred at the moment. All I know is that 2 weeks ago when I picked up my ton of feed it cost me $15.00 more then the last time. Even the dog food has gone up from $13.50 per 50 lbs to $15.50 per 50 lbs. I use the blue bag of Country Value.
It doesn't matter what the grain is, the price is going up in conjunction with the corn. My feed is a blend of, whole corn, cracked corn, Milo, Millet, oats, and high protein mash, and molasses, and what ever chemicals and vits added.
When I go in to feed the birds, I look to see who will be my test smoker bird. j41
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Purina Gamebird Flight conditioner:
Bought 2 ton direct last week for $11.52 per 50lb bag.
Purina Scratch Grain:
Bought 100lb direct last week for $10.00 per 50lb bag.
....it's definitely gone up!!!
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i buy in one ton bulk totes, its hubbard brand. pay sumthin like 8.50/50lb.
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I guess the ole saying......"it costs chicken feed" .......no longer applies? ^-^
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I guess the ole saying......"it costs chicken feed" .......no longer applies? ^-^
s020 You can say that again s020
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I had an interesting trip to the feed store the other day. The same grain elevator company 12 miles apart had a $5 difference in the same feed. I paid $20 per 100 Lbs at one and went to the other store to to get another 100 Lbs it was $25. I questioned him about it and he said, due to the rising cost of corn and gas prices we have to charge more. I told him that was a load of crap because the other store charged $20 for the same thing. He told me to take it up with the regional manager and ask him why the same store charges a different price when they are only 12 miles apart.
Mark
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Same thing happens at wal-mart, McDonalds and other stores too. Pricing depends on what the area around each store can tolerate as well as how far from the distribution center the truck has to travel to deliver goods. I'm sure utility and overhead costs differ at each location too and are taken into account.
It could also simply be that the one store just recently received an order that cost them more and transferred it to the customer already. The cheaper store may still be under the old pricing until it receives a new order.
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My bulk feed was contracted at $292.00 per ton buying 12 ton at a time. Last year we contracted 120 ton. This year I cannot get a contract and if bought today the price would be $390 per ton. and increase of almost $100 per ton or $12,000 off the top for this year. The bios fuels business is the problem along with the falling dollar on some of the other items. It will not get better until the renewable fuels standards is addressed by our US Congress. You cannot base our independence from oil on things that we use on everyday basis such as corn and soybeans. It will not get better until these are addressed or a whole bunch on the food industry is out of business. I think we can blame our politicans for going green while putting us in the red.
Chuck
Ozark Wings
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Chuck, I thought $390 was what some poor Yankee was having to pay for feed, until I got to the bottom of your post.
I'm using the same feed, assuming this is the price for the 20%. I had planned on starting the year at $400, finishing at $500, and thinking that would leave me a pretty good little cushion. They charge $50 per ton for bagging, so I am at least 10% behind, before I even start the year.
The MFA mill in Aurora is now handling Histostat, for Turkey producers. I just talked to their Rep., today. I'll e-mail an ingredient list, tomorrow, and hopefully have a price by next week. If I ever asked, I forgot, do you use starter with Histostat?
If their price is appreciably less, I'll let you know.
Jack
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I have used the Histostat in my feed for the past two years. We raise all our birds on the ground. It has cut our health problems probably 80%. It is well worth the investment. We also use sodium chorade in the water. This is supposed to kill the oxygen in the intestines that allow enteritis to produce. We have quit using BMD due to the fact it seems to be pretty ineffective.
Let me know how you come out.
Thanks
Chuck
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I know that this topic is probably touchy to some people and reading through the post I 'd have to say that there is a lot of truth in what is being said. I am a begining farmer/rancher and I wanted to just clarify that farmers aren't ripping people off it is all of the big wigs sitting behind desks and stuff. I wouldn't blame all of this problem on biofuels because personaly I don't think that it is going anywhere. I am actualy surprised that tree hugers haven't put a stop to it. Yes it is suposed to be better for the environment but does anybody realize that the amount of gallons of water needed to make the projected amount of ethonal would drain Lake Superior in one year!!!! Why don't they ever talk about that also, I was going to tell you what some prices are around here to raise corn.
Seed $46
Fertilizer $100
Roundup $18
Land Rent $45
Fuel $20
Insurance $35
County average in corn around here is 55 bu
55 bu at $5 is $ 275
costs are $264
I make $11 an acre not counting my time and if mother nature cooperates.
It's hard for a 21year old to start in prices like this.
But like i said before some of you are right with the big corprate farms $11 an acre of 10000 acres adds up
But for me only having 800 at $11 is $8800 a year you can make more at Mcdonalds!!!
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I wouldn't blame all of this problem on biofuels because personally I don't think that it is going anywhere.
Although, I don't believe everything I read......I have read just as many articles that bio-fuels has absolutely nothing to do with the high feed price as I have read those that say it is to blame. The fact is that it is a joke........there is not enough cropland to supply just one state with it's fuel needs, let alone the entire country. I also believe that practically every company out there has seen the opportunity to gouge prices to consumers, then point their fingers at "high fuel costs" to get people to look in the other direction, placing blame elsewhere. Don't forget the "minimum wage increase" last year that has raised the prices for everything, everywhere. :-| So much for raising the minimum wage , huh? Those making minimum wage are actually making less now....who'd a thunk that would happen?? :-| Maybe we should vote to raise it again? :grin: Idiots!
But for me only having 800 at $11 is $8800 a year you can make more at Mcdonalds!!!
Yeah, and they work in air conditioning!
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Birdman...all your prices except the corn price look like they are 15 years old, just kidding. I only own 8 acres (all trees) so I'm not a farmer but corn today on the radio was right at $6.00 per bushel and they considered 150 bu. per acre last year as a bad yield. A friend of mine averaged just over 200 and didn't sell any of it because he thinks there is going to be a drought to drive the prices even higher. They don't pay any taxes on their fuel so you can knock off at least .50 from the pump price but I do know fertilizer costs are through the roof, but they are offsetting that with large hog confinements, (crap has to go somewhere). All I know is there's quite a few nice houses and new pickups around. Some of the farmers I've talked to said they were better off with 2 dollar corn and the government subsidizing the low prices, don't quite know what they mean by that. It'll be interesting to see how many of the ethenol plants they are building here will be mothballed or the oil companies owning them, it definetely isn't the answer.
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Hobbyfarmer may I ask where your friend is from? I said in my area central North Dakota. Your friend probably is paying alot more than what i am for land rent too. I know in the redriver valley they pull over 200 bu corn but they are also paying over $100 an acre. And if people pay attention prices are dropping fast wheat was over 20 bucks a month ago now it is only $10.30 which isn't bad if fertilizer prices came down with it but it doesn't. And yes we get farm fuel a little cheaper it doesn't help none. I planted 50 acres yesterday and used 100 gallons. it all adds up. As far as subsidies the government pays farmers certain prices for certain crops the reason that they do that is so that food prices can stay lower. When people complain about farmers getting paid they should actually be happy because if you think food prices are high now wait untill they stop paying subsidies. As long as i am talking about government payments i will enlighten you about the farm bill. People always think that the farmers get all of the money that they talk about on the news. What they don't know is that all government food programs money comes out of that. Like wellfare or foodstamps or lunch assistance at schools. When a person takes all of that of (i don't know what percent it is) the farmers get crap. Then the remainding money get divided out according to acres so the large corprate farmers make all the money and the small family farms get little or nothing. And by small I mean less than 5000 acres i know that you all may think that that is a lot of acres and let me tell you that there more than 3 farmers just around me that have over 10000 acres 2 people have over 20000 acres that they farm. they don't own the acres but they farm it. These are also the mother s53 thatcall the family farmers landlords and offer them more money and rent the acres away.
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Excerpt:
The EU's and the Brazilian delegates in Paris contested the link between biofuels and the world food crisis.
"This is highly exaggerated," Sergio Serra, Brazil's ambassador for climate change, told AFP.
"There is no real relation of cause and effect between the expansion of the production of biofuels and the raising of food prices. At least it is not happening in Brazil."
EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas said experts would report back by the end of May on how to guarantee that Europe's planned biofuel boost would not impinge on the environment or the poor.
"There are a lot of concerns about social impacts, rising food prices and environment issues, and for all those reasons we want to insist on sustainability criteria in our legislation," he said.
Defenders of biofuels say food shortfalls have multiple causes, including a growing appetite for meat among the burgeoning middle class in China and India.
On average, it takes more than four kilos (eight pounds) of grain to produce one kilo (two pounds) of pork, and two kilos (four pounds) of grain to yield a kilo (two pounds) of beef.
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Well I get to find out how much my feed went up today since I was already informed on that fact, she just didn't know.
She did state that the increase was due to the increase of diesel fuel from the delivery costs not from the grain increases.
It seems that they get ya coming and going not matter how you look at it.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I buy once a month 20 bags at a time and it has been going up about .50 a bag each month. There has got to be a stopping point.
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I buy once a month 20 bags at a time and it has been going up about .50 a bag each month. There has got to be a stopping point.
Slider,
I don't thinks so...
AP
Oil prices spike to record above $117
Monday April 21, 9:53 am ET
By Pablo Gorondi, Associated Press Writer
Oil prices climb to record above $117 a barrel after Mideast attack on Japanese oil tanker...
Link to full story: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080421/oil_prices.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080421/oil_prices.html)
The prices at the pump more then likey just went up another $.05
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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What a load of crapp ! How the heck does this have anything to do with the prices ! I'm willing to bet the price will jump in Alberta....which imports not a single drop of oil !
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Well the price increase per ton was $18.92 and to expect another increase next month. It is gotten to the point that all the trucking companies are adding the fuel surcharge.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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c49 Everyone is hoarding everything! c49
a24 a25 a28 a31 a30 a40 a29 maybe even........a70's ?
::)
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Man.....And I just ordered 1200 Tenn. Red eggs and 500 Blue Scale eggs... s80 c109
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slider,
Just wait, the United States Postal Service will be seeking an increase in the postage stamp as well to compensate the loss profits due to the increase in fuel costs.
Someone has to eat the fuel price increase, so it might as well be the consumer s176
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Too late, the USPS raised their rates already effective May 12 of this year!
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Wastemanagement has charged $12.00 on top for Fuel charge each monthly on a 2 Yrd Dumpster $67.00 a month Dumped 2 times per month.
I Board horses 20 total not counting my 8 and Feed prices have increased 6 times sense August what use to be &8.00 is now $13.25 with a $15.00 delivery fee that was 5.00 in the Summer. I order 2 tons at a time with Game Bird feed, Dog & Cat once a month. Don't ask about Hay, Drought almost did us in. Sold 85 Heffers in July past to keep from the high price of Hay $90.00 for round bales Coastal Bermuda 9.00 for Square Bales.
Fertiliser 71-17-17 cost $700.00 a ton and liquid nitrogen was 350.00 per ton. Just waiting on a Surcharge for Rain!
The hole thing comes down to c109 i6
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I saw on TV the other day that they were giving away horses in Kentucky and some people were just truning them out..I think that I would have the sucker butchered and put in the freezer. I am not to proud to eat a horse..I think that it would be pretty good and man what a hind quarter.. s020
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I think that I would have the sucker butchered and put in the freezer. .. s020
That's illegal, now. One of the big causes of so many starving, old horses. PETA, of course. I suppose they'll stop use of horses as source of pet food, also.
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Whoops....I`m in trouble...... c110
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I think that I would have the sucker butchered and put in the freezer. .. s020
That's illegal, now. One of the big causes of so many starving, old horses. PETA, of course. I suppose they'll stop use of horses as source of pet food, also.
Are you saying it is illegal in all states or just yours? What's next, you own cattle?
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I think here in Louisiana it is legal to eat just about anything.. s020
Ordered feed yesterday and it did go up its normal .50 per 50lb bag... I am going to have to go out and squeeze them Butlers....
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I think here in Louisiana it is legal to eat just about anything.. s020
Ordered feed yesterday and it did go up its normal .50 per 50lb bag... I am going to have to go out and squeeze them Butlers....
Don't squeeze to hard, you will lose your profit margin s020
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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That's illegal, now. One of the big causes of so many starving, old horses. PETA, of course. I suppose they'll stop use of horses as source of pet food, also.
Are you saying it is illegal in all states or just yours? What's next, you own cattle?
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Do a search. j1
Actually, at one point several years ago, I heard it was illegal to butcher your own cow. Then I was informed it was legal, but you had to have the carcass (and perhaps the whole process) inspected by USDA. Either way, it was expensive, and prohibitive.
Somewhere along the way, thanks to squawking, and ridicule, it was decided the regulations may not apply to family farms. Some genius with OSHA noticed their regulations required wheat farmers to provide port-a-potties every 100 feet for custom combine crews (who would love to have obstacles to dodge, or bulldoze).
I'm not sure about the letter of the law on butchering your own cow, today. I do know it's about as convoluted as the tax code. I also know you do not want to get caught selling un-inspected beef, or trading it for goods, or services (especially if you are one of those evil property owners).
The things I've heard about horse meat for human consumption have been "piece meal" tail ends of news stories. I'm pretty sure it's nation wide. It applies to commercial processing plants. If inspectors are instructed not to approve horse meat, no store would sell it, and plants can't operate. It all comes down to Government knowing more than you. Remember this in November! Doesn't matter how your daddy always voted! The party "out there for the little guy" is now "out to get the little guy". B.O.H.I.C.A.
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It all comes down to Government knowing more than you. Remember this in November! Doesn't matter how your daddy always voted! The party "out there for the little guy" is now "out to get the little guy". B.O.H.I.C.A.
Too bad that "voting" doesn't really count. Can you imagine how many millions of dollars and fuel it has cost for people to go vote in these presidential primaries that mean absolutely nothing?
Got anymore jokes? LOL! I have a couple:
"We, together, can make a difference"......translation: "We can use your money and labor and nothing changes, plus I just like saying that because it sounds good and Americans will fall for anything".
"let's make history" and keep the same ole bunch getting the free rides for the remainder of their/our lives.
Last I knew, "history" has it's own cosmic power source that happens whether you want it to or not, just how exactly do you go about making it?
If you want to hear anymore jokes........just turn on the news. :grin:
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Steve, since I knew you were probably too busy to bother with a search, I did one, with so-so success. I started a different thread in the General section.
Charliehorse, I can't completely agree with your comment that voting doesn't count (I know that breaks your heart). If National elections were more than just popularity contests, and they really get rid of earmarks, and pork, we might get some true representation.
Most don't know this, but originally we had one U.S. Representative for each 16,000 people. They changed that when things started getting crowded, and to protect their Elitist status.
That might be quite a circus, but it would make it easier for the people to know, and control their politicians (probably the real reason for the change).
There are a few around who are pretty decent. I don't know if anyone realizes it, (maybe he likes it that way), but there is actually a real live Missouri Senator who is a member of this board. He has some common sense, and seems to know up from down. That makes me wonder how he got elected, but we don't have a lot of city people.
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I purchased some "open-pollinated" field corn that the fella claims will increase a cows milk production by 10# per day (over a gallon). He said that it is around 16% protien, etc., etc., where hybrids are 3-8%. A farm friend who has planted hybrids most his life has dairy cattle. He had me buy 9 bushels for him to plant. So we'll see this fall/winter if any milk production increases. ??? Nine to twelve foot plants, so the standability is not as good as some hybrids.
That might be quite a circus, but it would make it easier for the people to know, and control their politicians (probably the real reason for the change).
My point exactly. Whenever the popular vote doesn't matter, it's rigged and crooked. I'm referring to just the Presidential elections. They will put in there, who they want in there. Doesn't really matter anyway, the president is nothing but a spokesman figure, a "fall guy" so to speak to take all the blame and to deter/direct everyones attention away from the real culprits.......congressman and senators. :-|
I vote every time, especially against any tax levies or the like, regardless of the intent. :grin:
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Feed is now $720.00 per ton. Something has got to give. Monday it was postage and today it was feed-again.
Larry
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Prices up here are getting spooky as well. Makes one wonder where it will end, and how !
A contractor called me the other day, offering a job. Lowest offer in over 20 years. The SUB/LOA (living out allowance) was no where near enough to pay for the cheapest motel room, let alone food. Fuel prices are having an effect on much.....
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Feed is now $720.00 per ton. ???? How are you buying it? in Bulk? bags? from a local feed mill?
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Makes one wonder where it will end, and how !
Dont' worry...........help is on the way!!
"We can do it....Together we can fix it......You and I can do it......We, Us, We, Together, We"
---Hussein Obama
How and what?.....that doesn't matter.
c109
Feed is now $720.00 per ton.
About the same as fertilizer....................I think we're being price-gouged something fierce!
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Feed is now $720.00 per ton.
Larry
Larry, is that a typo? Or are you paying some sort of sir charge for feeding a potential source of politically correct fuel?
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I purchase this by the ton packaged in 50lb bags ($18 bagx40 bags=$720) If my math is correct that equals an extremely hard pinch. I can buy a 100lb bag of "ground up scraps" with everything in it for $18.50 a bag but its almost all dust and mostly fine corn. Very little protein in it. Its what most farmers around here call mash to feed their hogs. Things are getting tight all over this country. Last fall horse hay went up to $9 a bale and a roll was anywhere from $80-$140. I got it for $3 a bale just in time early on before everyone was looking for some. We've been getting plenty of rain this year so it should be some good crops but with the high cost of seed, fuel and of course the fertilizer I still dont see things much better.
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I'm payin' about $14.50/50# for poultry feed. Hay goes for $5 a bale and $70-$90 for round bale in my nick of the woods.
Plenty of rain here and no sun. No field corn in the ground yet!!!!! s176
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My feed went down 1.00$ per 50# bag last week..The dealer did not know why. He said I do not ask questions I just go by the price sheet they give me...Purina Layena and Startena...14.50
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April 17th gamebird starter was 14.60 & grower was 14.00 have a new batch coming Fri. will see if it went up.
I am buying from Bartlett Mills
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Grower here is $11.00 a 50lb bag and starter is $11.95 a 50 lb bag
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Grower here is $11.00 a 50lb bag and starter is $11.95 a 50 lb bag
That's what it was here...........last year. Hard to believe there's that much difference between your place and mine, no farther apart than we are.
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Sorry folks, you all have nothing on Fairbanks, Alaska. Grower is $20.95 and starter is $21.95 for a 50 lb bag.
Plus on brooding my first batch of quails my electric bill was up over $60. Quite an expensive hobby, at least that's what my wife is telling me?
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Sorry folks, you all have nothing on Fairbanks, Alaska. Grower is $20.95 and starter is $21.95 for a 50 lb bag.
Plus on brooding my first batch of quails my electric bill was up over $60. Quite an expensive hobby, at least that's what my wife is telling me?
I wish my bill was only $60 a month. My Incubator and brooder run me over $300.00 a month when the season starts in April. This is not on the same meter as the house. I get two electric bills per month.
Feed, I don't even want to get started with that again.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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720 a ton ....that would be enough for me to stop everything......
I buy in one ton totes.....400 a ton. And i thought that was bad!!!!!
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For those of you that raise birds for a living these prices have got to be getting out of hand. Just so you can make a living. I just do it as a hobby and it's getting to the point where I've got to do something! sale some off, etc.
Friday, the price here for Game Bird Starter was 14.45 for 50 lb bag and 12.95 for Layena and them little guys like to eat.
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The MFA Feed Store has 50 Lbs Game Bird Starter for 12.50 and 50 Lbs Game Bird Finisher for 12.45 and Layer is 12.50 for 50 Lbs.
Mark
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Don`t you folks in Alaska get a 6 to 8,000$ check from the Gov. each year for living in Alaska??????
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Don`t you folks in Alaska get a 6 to 8,000$ check from the Gov. each year for living in Alaska??????
I heard it was $5 grand no matter what you gross.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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For those of you that raise birds for a living these prices have got to be getting out of hand. Just so you can make a living. I just do it as a hobby and it's getting to the point where I've got to do something! sale some off, etc.
Friday, the price here for Game Bird Starter was 14.45 for 50 lb bag and 12.95 for Layena and them little guys like to eat.
It's the same old story no matter what you want to do, If you want to play, you got to pay...
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I know a few years back it was 5,000 I just figured it had gone up like everything else...
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My Game bird Starter was $11.25 for #50 I have 1/2 Ton on hand and Bob Whites are hatching as we speak, So my feed expenses will double now.. LOL
The odd thing is from one fed store to another prices can fluctuate from .25 a bag to as much as $1.50 per bag, for the same brand of feed...
That can get into your pockets quickly.
Have a good Day
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Pretty_Bird, I think Pheasant Hollow Farm ( Steve said it best = If you want to play, you got to pay ) but it sure is getting tough to play let alone just driving back and forth to work and don't even think about when we have to go to the grocery store so we can eat. s80
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hee hee,
I guess if things get bad enough we all can have
feather n poop soup. :)
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Just came back from the feed store. Price went up another $22.68 per ton.
A ton of my special mix is now is $394.60.
Steve
Pheasnt Hollow Farm
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I hate to say it but just wait until they figure out how bad it is in the midwest. Corn is over $7 a bushel and they lowered their numbers on what they think will be harvested.
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I hate to say it but just wait until they figure out how bad it is in the midwest. Corn is over $7 a bushel and they lowered their numbers on what they think will be harvested.
Adam,
I know, I spoke with my supplier(the owner) this morning, he told me he's paying $7.50 bushel on corn. Wheat and Oats are even higher.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Wheat came down today its right around $8 a bushel now. It was close to $7 before everything started flooding and the corn was down close to $6. It went up fast this week. Maybe they will get more beans planted now since it is later in the season. Then starter with higher protein will go down and corn prices will stay through the roof.
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Soybeans is around $15.50 right now. I think as long as we keep hearing bad news out of the midwest we will see them hitting all time highs everyday. This stuff is going to put a lot of people out of business and the hobby people are even going to be thinking about what they are doing with 50lb bags nearing 18-$20 a bag if this keeps up.
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Feed will probably go thru the roof in the next few months in our area because the flood ruined about 85 percent of the crops by the time waters out of fields, it will be too late to replant. Corn prices jumps around up and down every week we get feed. The mill grinds the grain for us and we buy small amounts of bulk. We have 150 layering hens. And now trying to raise a few Quail( which I know nothing about). Chickens I can do.But these little burgersare real different. I've never had a chick jump out of the incubator on me and the adults were alot stronger than I was ready for..
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Last Sunday, the 22nd, I was at Tractor Supply to purchase a 15 gal sprayer, and noticed that their price of Whole corn, 50lb bag is now priced at $8.90 Two weeks ago it was at $7.40.
Even the wild bird food has taken a huge increase, along with the HI-Protien Dog Food. I was paying $12.50 for 50lbs of country value(made by Diamond) and now it is up to $15.95.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Steve how much Protein% and Fat% does that Country Value have in it??I feed Diamond but have never seen the Country Value.
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Steve how much Protein% and Fat% does that Country Value have in it??I feed Diamond but have never seen the Country Value.
I don't remember, I will see if I can find a bag..
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Steve how much Protein% and Fat% does that Country Value have in it??I feed Diamond but have never seen the Country Value.
I don't remember, I will see if I can find a bag..
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
slider,
Country Value Dog Food made by Diamond is in the Blue Bag.
Protien Minumum: 26%
Fat content Maximum: 18%
The Country Value Blue bag will have the marking 26/18
The food is bite size, swelling when water tested is at a minimum. So if you get this and the dog eats a fare share and drinks quanities of water, the dogs stomach wil not bloat due to the dog food.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Well i was right. Bought feed yesterday,corn up 2.00 per hundred lb. Laying mash up 1.90 per hundred. dog food up 1.50 per 50 lb bag in two weeks time Dang it!!!
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OK Steve thanks I am going to look for it man that Diamond adult and the puppy is up to 26.00 for 40 lbs..26/18 is not bad...Diamond is the best dog food that I have ever feed..and I have feed alot of them..
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dog food up 1.50 per 50 lb bag in two weeks time Dang it!!!
Wasn't horse used for dog food? If so, those who don't know will be tickled to know that the last slaughterhouse for horses was closed in the USA. Now they are shipped to Canada and Mexico....processed.....then shipped back. ???
Pure Genius's!! There should be some politicians behind bars for supporting such an injustice. Maybe ole Hussien will straighten it all out? j47 s47
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Kill a cow but cant kill a horse ??? ??? ??? ???
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slider,
What are you feeding protein% and fat% in the off season? I only feed my dogs the higher Country value during the hunting season when they are working.
During the summer months, I cut back and use Pride Dog Food. This is also the bite size.
The protein minimum is 22%
and the Fat minimum is 10%
The Pride Dog food is manufactured by:
Hyland Company
P.O. Bix 29
Ashland, Kentucky 44105
(606) 928-4011
The website:http://thepridedogfood.com/ (http://thepridedogfood.com/)
Their dog food also contains OMEGA -3 and OMEGA -6 which seems to darken their stools considerably. Not black, but a real chestnut brown.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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This formula Pride 22/10 is $13.99 a bag of 50lbs.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Steve, I am not feeding bird dogs..they are another breed.
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seems to darken their stools considerably. Not black, but a real chestnut brown.
That's nice to know Pheasant Hollow......... :-o........some information we could do without. You need more to do, to occupy your time.
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seems to darken their stools considerably. Not black, but a real chestnut brown.
That's nice to know Pheasant Hollow......... :-o........some information we could do without. You need more to do, to occupy your time.
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A dark change in stool color could indicate bleeding. Giving the dog one type of dry dog food light in color, then changing over to a darker color base will usually the change in color. Not necessitating bleeding though.
Some people rush their dogs to the vet when they notice change in stool color after changing the food.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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LOL! I understand. I couldn't tell anything about my dogs, they've been eatin' a dead horse, deer, moles and everything else. :-| They've been trained to do their business in the woods, so I rarely come across any samples to inspect. And I would guess that they are a different color every day. The golden retriever used to eat the gravel right out of the driveway, no tellin' what how that came out? LOL!
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Well lordy lordy lordy, my feed bill went down $10.00 a ton.. But the price of the Country Value Dog food in the blue bag went up to $21.75 per 50lbs.
I was paying last year, 07, $10.45 per 50lb. and this last past June, 08 $17.50. for 50lbs.
I am beginning to think it is cheaper to keep the wife and dump the dogs. s020 s020
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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$17.50. for 50lbs.
$17.05/ 50# here the other day for laying mash for the chickens. About the same for goat feed too.
My wife normally gets the dog food for our 110# Golden Retriever :-o and the terrier, but the other day she had me stop to get some..........I 'bout flipped!! It's been about 8 years since I last bought any and I was in total disbelief, I thought something was wrong with the prices on the shelves. I'm thinkin' they may have to start eating grass, or they may just end up eating venison year round after I kill all of the deer around here.
That's it!! I plant corn crop......deer destroy/eat crop......I destroy deer.......walla.....dog food!! That's how I can get my corn back and not go in the hole! Never thought that I could feed the dogs with the corn I planted! ^-^
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$17.50. for 50lbs.
$17.05/ 50# here the other day for laying mash for the chickens. About the same for goat feed too.
My wife normally gets the dog food for our 110# Golden Retriever :-o and the terrier, but the other day she had me stop to get some..........I 'bout flipped!! It's been about 8 years since I last bought any and I was in total disbelief, I thought something was wrong with the prices on the shelves. I'm thinkin' they may have to start eating grass, or they may just end up eating venison year round after I kill all of the deer around here.
That's it!! I plant corn crop......deer destroy/eat crop......I destroy deer.......walla.....dog food!! That's how I can get my corn back and not go in the hole! Never thought that I could feed the dogs with the corn I planted! ^-^
CharlieHorse,
Ya know........ ya just might have a plan there. The deer ate 85% of all the seed heads of the Milo and now they have started to cut the Sorghum midway to get to the seed heads on them as well.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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28.00$ today for a 40lb bag of Diamond Adult. s53 s53 s53 s53 s53
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It's quite simple really.........
c110 a29 = a38
Then again...................the running and purchase of addition freezers to store it all in, would more than likely outweigh the cost of the dog food for the next 10-15 years? :-| Plus all the time and money spent doing all of it, I'd rather set in a chair. Then I'd start phasing out dogs by attrition, but I'd have to always have one.
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ALWAYS.. j11 j15 j18 j32
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but depending on how many deer they let you take per year you could feed yourself also. if not you would end up on the wrong side of the law and depending on how you worked it you could end up with a lot of publicity that could lead to book deals and possibly movie rights then the cost of the feed would not make a difference you could even hire someone else to feed the dogs. s020
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but depending on how many deer they let you take per year you could feed yourself also. if not you would end up on the wrong side of the law and depending on how you worked it you could end up with a lot of publicity that could lead to book deals and possibly movie rights then the cost of the feed would not make a difference you could even hire someone else to feed the dogs. s020
birddog,
WV has one hell of a liberal deer season. Last year, the count was 5 doe an two antlered deer. If you have a farm, you can also get a destruction permit, which they hand out during the summer.
Feeding a family and dogs for a year isn't the problem, storing it is.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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3 Bucks and 3 Does here in Louisiana. I will usually kill 2 for me and 1 that I split up with other family members who do not hunt...Mom,sisters and dead heads.... s020 c181
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3 Bucks and 3 Does here in Louisiana. I will usually kill 2 for me and 1 that I split up with other family members who do not hunt...Mom,sisters and dead heads.... s020 c181
Nothing wrong with dead heads j2
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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wow.. only one per year here. unless you draw a bonus permit witch are very hard to come by then you are allowed to take 2. landowner permits can be had but only under extreme circumstances
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birddog if it is a Moose then that is all you need.. s020
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I can get up to 6 white tails here in Ohio with permits, only one with antlers. Open season with farming credentials. I'm thinking I may be a farmer come next year.
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Moose now thats a different story. a moose permit requires winning a lottery. and after all the related costs involved in a Moose hunt you might as well go out and buy a beef cow
CharlieHorse, what would you do with 6 Ohio Whitetails ? if I am not mistaken the deer in Ohio are large . right?
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CharlieHorse, what would you do with 6 Ohio Whitetails ? if I am not mistaken the deer in Ohio are large . right?
birddog,
The same thing slider would do:
3 Bucks and 3 Does here in Louisiana. I will usually kill 2 for me and 1 that I split up with other family members who do not hunt...Mom,sisters and dead heads.... s020 c181
I will take three does during season, and by next season do it again. My wife and I eat venison more then beef(cow). I will not take a doe under 130lbs. I had in my back yard Saturday evening, 9 does.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I am also going to be eating many quail this winter just put 100 Bobs in the freezer..use the most of them in making GUMBO.
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$10.50 for 20% protein chicken feed, $14.50 for 21% gamebird feed, $11.50 for layer 16% (all 50lb bags).
We get one deer per tag but can buy two antlered (one bow & one gun, or two shotgun) and unlimited antlerless until the county quotas are filled. Some counties have over 3,000 antlerless tags in them.
$27 each for the two antlered, 27 for the first antlerless and 12 for each one after that. Average weight for first year deer here is 90lb most deer taken run 130-150lb dressed. five tags=105 hunting lic and habitat fee 39 total $144 total dressed weight about 650lb = 22 cents a lb avg. paper and tape to wrap the chunked up dog food another $7 would come to about $13.50 for 50lb venison dog food. you can save even more if you contact the sheriffs office and get on the list for road kill deer, the meats free then.
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$10.50 for 20% protein chicken feed, $14.50 for 21% gamebird feed, $11.50 for layer 16% (all 50lb bags).
Those are some very good prices compared to prices around here. Those prices are what it was 1 1/2 years ago around here. We're getting ripped!! :-|
CharlieHorse, what would you do with 6 Ohio Whitetails ? if I am not mistaken the deer in Ohio are large . right?
I actually don't eat any. We've got one fella in our hunting party that takes all the deer we get during gun season. There's plenty of people around here that will take them off of your hands.
From what I'm told, they are quite a bit larger than the southern states. There's quite a bit of cropland around for them to eat too. :x
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16.00 gamebird starter 50lb..Hen scratch 12.25 50lb. layer pellets 12.50 50 lbs.. 50lb whole corn 8.50-9.50$
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When I sold birds over the weekend, the gentlemen had two 50lb bags of game bird feed that he got locally(same place as I do) that was 20% protein in his trunk and I believe he said it was $18.50 a bag.
Basically the same mixture as mine except I have the mash and his had pellets. that's $37.00 a hundred. That is crazy.. It doesn't pay for him to by in tonnage since it will sit to long. I think mine works out some where between $19-21 per 100lbs at 24% protein.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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How long is feed good if it stays dry in a closed bin?
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How long is feed good if it stays dry in a closed bin?
Excellent question mobe.
Most seeds that I have found vary on shelf life as an individual seed in its self. They can vary from 2 to 3 years if kept under optimum conditions.
During this time the protein levels also lessen. Since we are talking about mixed grains as a feed for our birds, either pheasants, quail, turkey, grouse or any other birds that would be classified as a wild game bird within our industry, I haven't found a solid answer of shelf life. I personally don't know anyone that keeps feed laying around more then a month at a time.
I go through a ton per month on a mixed blend of seeds. I guess if it was just the seeds that was to be stored by them selves, 2 to 3 years. Most game bird feed has vitimans and other additives to bring up the protein levels that we require.
It has also been found that grains that have been harvested have shown signs of Aflatoxicosis refer to :http://www.thatquailplace.com/smf/index.php?topic=5142.0 (http://www.thatquailplace.com/smf/index.php?topic=5142.0) this in its self could and will cause a problem if the is feed to be keep for longer periods of time.
Processes feeds made into mash or pellets also have a tendency to lose its quality, and the ability to start mold growth.
I will keep searching for some harder documentation and then I will post the links.
My rule of thumb is use what you can within a months time, and avoid the possibility of the degrading protein levels. Same rule of thumb goes for the medicated crumbles as well.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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thanks, With the few birds I have a ton would last me a long long time.
Will watch for more on shelf life.
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I'm with Pheasant Holler. I have kept pelleted goat feed for over a year and it was fine. 28% gamebird starter, I have stored for almost a year and never had any trouble. Although, my storage conditions are very good.
I believe that you won't find a concrete answer because there are too many variables on storage conditions. Containers, building, and relative humidity can and will effect it all. My feed/seed storage space is extremely dry, rodent and bug free.
Example: If you're familiar with what it is like, especially in the spring, of what it can be like when you open a garage door for example on a warm day when it has been cold out. Everything in the garage/building will sweat, including the concrete floor. This is a good example of a place that is not good to store feed/seed. My garage is heated and I do not have that problem at all.
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This is the email I got back from Nutrena Feed on shelf life.
I am waiting to here from the other producers as well.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
Steven,
In the summer about 60 days depending on how it is stored at the store.
Ben Weaver
Cargill
Nutrena Feed
4478 Bennington Pond Dr.
Groveport, OH 43125
330-464-6666
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Pretty in depth :-|
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I am probably in a group with most game bird raisers that would not go through a ton in a year so we buy it by the bag. Right now, I am paying around 15.50/50LB Bag for medicated starter, breeder, or flight feed. By the looks of the last couple bags I bought, I think they had been purchased by the distributor in the beginning of summer and they were at the bottom of the pallet. So, they were sitting at the distributor for 5 months, maybe a month at the manufacturer, and I probably won't use it up for a few weeks. Mature birds are eating it and have had no problems. I store all food off the ground in rubbermaid containers.
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By the looks of the last couple bags I bought, I think they had been purchased by the distributor in the beginning of summer and they were at the bottom of the pallet. So, they were sitting at the distributor for 5 months, maybe a month at the manufacturer,
Too bad there isn't a "born on" date on the feed bags. I had recieved a bag of special order goat feed straight from manufacturer that half of it looked like concrete from where it had been wet sometime long before I recieved it. It was old enough that it had completely dried out before I got it.
Pretty in depth :-|
"Deep thoughts by Jack Handy"
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Or.........use by date..
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Bartlett Milling puts the Date on their bags that is who I buy my feed from. Horse,Dog,Cat and Quail Great Feed and they Deliver every 2 weeks
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Bartlett Milling puts the Date on their bags that is who I buy my feed from. Horse,Dog,Cat and Quail Great Feed and they Deliver every 2 weeks
Is it a "born date" or "use by M/D/Y type date"? Also, what is the normal shelf life of there product?
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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s80 Just a "heads-up" for those of you that may not know......... I talked to my feed man today and he informed me that the price of feed is scheduled to go up again in about a month! Just thought you might want to "staock up" before that happens. s176
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s80 Just a "heads-up" for those of you that may not know......... I talked to my feed man today and he informed me that the price of feed is scheduled to go up again in about a month! Just thought you might want to "staock up" before that happens. s176
Thanks for the heads up there tweezy. I don't stock pile though.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Any body tried Rice Bran? I have been thinking about trying some as a supplement. It comes in a pellet and is 12% Protein, 12% Fat and 12% Ash it comes in 50lb bags and is $8.00 a bag.
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:D Always lookin' for ways to stretch the fee budget. Let us know how that works out.
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I was pleased to find that the price of Game Bird conditioner had dropped in price over $2.00 a bag. Last week I bought 6 bags and they were $12.35 and today I purchased 6 more and the price was $10.05. This is from the same feed store, the fellow said he thought it was because GAS prices were going down so it was making things cost a little less. It is true gas prices around here have dropped from $3.89 at the high point and now it is $2.59 a gallon, of course the tourist season is over now and all the prices usually drop a little for the winter time around here..
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Grain prices are dropping too. Part of that is because of harvest time. At least some of the production was a little better than expected. Guess it's better to expect less, and get more.
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I was pleased to find that the price of Game Bird conditioner had dropped in price over $2.00 a bag. Last week I bought 6 bags and they were $12.35 and today I purchased 6 more and the price was $10.05. This is from the same feed store, the fellow said he thought it was because GAS prices were going down so it was making things cost a little less. It is true gas prices around here have dropped from $3.89 at the high point and now it is $2.59 a gallon, of course the tourist season is over now and all the prices usually drop a little for the winter time around here..
Pretty_Bird,
Where are you located that your feed dropped over $2.00 per bag and whose product is it?
TSC around here hasn't dropped in price here yet. As far as the gas goes, we are holding tight at $2.91 per gal.
Any body tried Rice Bran? I have been thinking about trying some as a supplement. It comes in a pellet and is 12% Protein, 12% Fat and 12% Ash it comes in 50lb bags and is $8.00 a bag.
slider,
Who is the manufacture of this product, and where can ya get it from?
Before the big rice price increase, I think I was paying 10 or 12 buck per 50lb bag at Sam's' Club and adding it to the feed. The birds ate it up like candy. I think the price is over $19.00 now.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Steve,
I'm in central Missouri, let me see it says PEN PAL on the bags it is made in Indiana from what i have read on the labels.
They have Game Bird Starter/Grower @ either 27 / 28 protein,
they also have Conditioner and a breeder feed.
It is what all the local feed stores stock around here. To get Purina brand game bird feed the drive is about 40 + miles one way and the price was considerably hugher and in comparison of the labels has the same content. So I stayed with the Pen Pal.
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Steve,
I'm in central Missouri, let me see it says PEN PAL on the bags it is made in Indiana from what i have read on the labels.
They have Game Bird Starter/Grower @ either 27 / 28 protein,
they also have Conditioner and a breeder feed.
It is what all the local feed stores stock around here. To get Purina brand game bird feed the drive is about 40 + miles one way and the price was considerably hugher and in comparison of the labels has the same content. So I stayed with the Pen Pal.
Thanks for the quick responce Pretty_Bird. I have never heard of that brand.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Steve I will fine out today on my way to camp for the weekend. They feed it to deer around here and as you said it is like candy to them. One of the feed stores sells it in a power or meal and it is 8.75 and another feed store has it in the pellet and it is 8.00 both are in 50lb bags. The pellets are to big for my quail but I think that I will try them on my Peacocks and Pheasants but only as a supplement.
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Steve I will fine out today on my way to camp for the weekend. They feed it to deer around here and as you said it is like candy to them. One of the feed stores sells it in a power or meal and it is 8.75 and another feed store has it in the pellet and it is 8.00 both are in 50lb bags. The pellets are to big for my quail but I think that I will try them on my Peacocks and Pheasants but only as a supplement.
The protein and fat content that you listed looks good as an add in to a mixed blend as I get.
Let me know what you find out about it and I will see if I can get where I am at.
Enjoy the weekend at the camp!
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Wow took a run down to Camdenton last night to the new Orschlens to get tire for the trailer, while I was there I decided to check out feed prices.
I can say I will not be getting any feed there for my birds. The prices were enough to make my head spin. Purina game bird starter @ $15.99 for a 40# bag, Conditioner @ $16.99 and only 12% protein and Breeder @ $17.99 per 40# bags.
I carefully took out my label from my current brand of feed and compared it to the tags on the bags the ingredients were basically the same except the Pen Pal brand has higher protein content in it's Conditioner and breeder feed and they are 50# bags.
The comparison of a 40# bag of 12% @ $16.99 OR a 50# bag of 18% @ $10.05 HUM that's a NO BRAINER. $6.94 a bag cheaper and 10# more feed. Purina is a good product but I can't see paying that big a difference for the NAME.
Gosh the prices on DOG FOOD 20# bags as high as $54.00 for the same brands of food I've seen allot cheaper at other stores.
I just can't see them selling much feed considering they have a MFA Feed store in the same town that would be way cheaper on the chicken feeds, cattle feeds, rabbit food that was another one that got me $17.99 for a 40# bag 18% protein. Currently at my feed store Rabbit feed 18% protein 50# bag is $10.50.
However I noticed on the way there that gas prices were at $2.41.9 per gallon
guess that blows my feed guys theory out of the water...( Lower gas prices cheaper feed) NOT at least in their town.
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MFA is pretty hard to beat. We have a local mill that will, sometimes, but they are not great business people (may be losing a little on some of it).
MFA will even store bagged, special order feed in your local store (if you get the reps to say they will), and allow you to pay for it as you pick it up. I don't push this too far, and wouldn't pick up just 5-6 bags at once.
Orscheln's has pretty good prices on a lot of things, and has great sales. A knew store won't have much clearance merchandise (my favorite in any store). If you get to Springfield, try the Marshfield store.
Diesel prices dropped more slowly than gas, and it will take a while to recover from shipping losses some companies had, before raising prices. I did see diesel at $3.35 in Ks., the other day, so relief is comming.
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Steve I stopped by and bought a 50lb bag of the Rice Bran Pellets on the way in this morning and here is the analysis it is a little different than the meal. Protein (Min) 11.00%, Fat (Min) 10.00% Fiber (Max) 13.50% Ingredients: Rice Bran ,Lignin Sulfonate (binding agent) The pellets are overall on the small size with about 1/2 of them being small enough for quail to eat with no problem so I will be mixing it after a screening with my winter blend. I fed some of the meal to my Blue Scale and they ate it right up. TO ALL YOU NEWBIES READING THIS THIS IS BEING USED AS A SUPPLEMENT FEED ONLY AND WILL ONLY BE FED AT A RATE OF 25% IN WITH THE NORMAL DIET.
Steve it is put out by O`Neal`s Feeders Supply, Inc. P.O. Box 307, DeRidder, Louisiana 70634. The Pellets are priced at $8.00 per 50lb bag. I will be giving an update on how the birds consumed it and if they left it as the last to eat later in the week .
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j2 Slider, thanks for considering us fairly newbies in your comments. It saves us some s47 embarrassing questions. Some questions we see as perfectly legit. are a DUH to you more advanced breeders!
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Your welcome!
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Steve I stopped by and bought a 50lb bag of the Rice Bran Pellets on the way in this morning and here is the analysis it is a little different than the meal. Protein (Min) 11.00%, Fat (Min) 10.00% Fiber (Max) 13.50% Ingredients: Rice Bran ,Lignin Sulfonate (binding agent) The pellets are overall on the small size with about 1/2 of them being small enough for quail to eat with no problem so I will be mixing it after a screening with my winter blend. I fed some of the meal to my Blue Scale and they ate it right up. TO ALL YOU NEWBIES READING THIS THIS IS BEING USED AS A SUPPLEMENT FEED ONLY AND WILL ONLY BE FED AT A RATE OF 25% IN WITH THE NORMAL DIET.
Steve it is put out by O`Neal`s Feeders Supply, Inc. P.O. Box 307, DeRidder, Louisiana 70634. The Pellets are priced at $8.00 per 50lb bag. I will be giving an update on how the birds consumed it and if they left it as the last to eat later in the week .
slider,
I did a search on the rice bran pellets and I can't fine any around here. The only rice bran pellets I have found was an added ingredent in Horse Feed.
Do me a favor and send me up the label you have on the bag.
I also found this...http://www.coprice.com.au/speciality/poultry/chookpellets.asp this link gives the Feeding Rates, Notes, Ingredients, and total Analysis.
(http://www.coprice.com.au/images/PoultryNew.jpg)
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Had to run in to the Feed mill yesterday.
4x 55lb. bags of Turkey grower 18%, 1x 55lb. bag Rabbit Pellets, 1x 44lb. bag of mixed Dove food. $134.89 total Glad I only have a few birds here. The wife's Doves go through feed twice as fast as my Game birds!
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the Valley Quail,Blue Scale,Bobwhites and the Ringneck Pheasant are all eating the Rice Bran pellets very well. I am mixing it at a rate of 25% total feed with the winter mix. The price is still $8.00 for a 50lb bag. I think I will see if the dogs will eat it.. s020
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:laugh:Thanks for the update. Now that you have used your birds as guinea pigs, I think I'll try it also. j1
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There is nothing in it that will hurt them. Its just ground up Rice hulls. The wild waterfowl eat it by the tons every year when they migrate down here and feed in the thousands of acers of harvested rice fields.
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Quail grower was $13.45 a 50lb bag has droped to $9.95 a 50lb bag just because the price of corn went down. I didn't think that much corn was in quail grower! ??? thank ya Jim
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Paid $12.50 per hundred for whole corn yesterday, at least it has came down some, although it's still double of what it was.
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I haven't bought Purina turkey grower since my last brood in August/September, but it was running $15.25/50 lb. I went to the feed store Friday and bought ADM Pen Pals 20% conditioner for $12.15/50 lb., down form $13.55. The 15% flyer/finisher dropped to $11.40. The prices are getting better because of lowering corn and fuel prices, but still about $2.00 higher on average over last year.
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Paid $12.50 per hundred for whole corn yesterday, at least it has came down some, although it's still double of what it was.
CharlieHorse,
Where are you getting it for $12.50 per hundred? Are you buying it in bulk?
It is still $8 and change in your favorite TSC for 50lbs. I'd have to figure out what the cost break down is in my mixed feed.
In the mean time, the deer don't get the treats. s020
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I bought it at the feed store, just a 100# at a time. Tough _it Charlies will rip you off on the whole corn. Feed store is a few miles from here, headed towards Belpre on Rt 50.
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What is the name of the place, and how far from Parkersburg on 50?
Is there a discount on quantity? I am going to be up that way possibly on Saturday.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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prices here in Maine coming down ! blue seal hi test 16 pellets for the pigs and cattle down to $15.50 per hundred was $16.43 two months ago turkey grower down to $11.25 from $12.60 50# bag same period of time game bird starter 50# bag dropped from $13.47 to $12.11 in less than a month.
slight :grin: knock on wood.
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What is the name of the place, and how far from Parkersburg on 50?
Is there a discount on quantity? I am going to be up that way possibly on Saturday.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
I'll PM you.
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What is the name of the place, and how far from Parkersburg on 50?
Is there a discount on quantity? I am going to be up that way possibly on Saturday.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
I'll PM you.
Got the PM thanks!
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Quail grower here is down to $9.90 a 50lb bag has dropped about $3.00 a 50 lb bag in the last 6 weeks. thank ya Jim :cool:
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Just got back from picking up a ton of feed. Price dropped $20.25 on a ton.
About time, I don't know if it was due to the fuel costs or the price drop in grains.
I'd like to see it drop another $40.00 and It will be the same price when I was getting it in March-April of 08.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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$11/50# for grower at the local co-op. $11.50/40# @ Shoppers Supply here for same brand. Shoppers must contract for a 40# bag hoping people don't notice the small print for weight. The bag looks identical to the 50# at the co-op.
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A little sneaky isn't it. s80
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$11/50# for grower at the local co-op. $11.50/40# @ Shoppers Supply here for same brand. Shoppers must contract for a 40# bag hoping people don't notice the small print for weight. The bag looks identical to the 50# at the co-op.
That's like every thing else. Coffee, soda, and now even tuna fish. they went from an 8oz to 7oz now to 6oz and charge more. Canned veg use to be 1lb cans, now they are either 14.5 or 15oz. Same can. Canned dog food as well.
s53 en crooks. ..........and the general public just bends over without the lubricant.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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1 board foot measures 12". It won't be long before they shorten the board foot to 11" ....and the US ton will no longer be 2000lbs.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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About time for another "Tea Party" at the very least. Maybe the whole damned Revolution needs to be revisited.
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12" X 12" X 1" . I used to buy it 5 quarters rough cut, but now you are lucky to find it 7/8 and when you plane it it ends up 3/4 and that is to thin for porch swings.
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I picked up my ton of feed yesterday and the price I paid for the feed is the same price that I paid Dec. 5th. Seems the price has stabilize to some extent.
Just got back from picking up a ton of feed. Price dropped $20.25 on a ton.
About time, I don't know if it was due to the fuel costs or the price drop in grains.
I'd like to see it drop another $40.00 and It will be the same price when I was getting it in March-April of 08.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
How's the feed price around the other areas, up/down, stayed the same?
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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I picked up a new bag of Sporting Bird Developer at Southern States Co-op yesterday and it was something lik $2 cheaper than last time... Hmmmm..
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Picked up some Purina Game Bird Feed $16 and change for 50lbs. Crazy
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Picked up some Purina Game Bird Feed $16 and change for 50lbs. Crazy
Pete,
What was the price last time?
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Considering what I found in Kansas after Pheasant/Prairie Chicken hunt, prices should be way down in Midwest.
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Considering what I found in Kansas after Pheasant/Prairie Chicken hunt, prices should be way down in Midwest.
Just wondering how much of that is going to be used as alternate fuel... s49
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Steve last time it was $14.60 or so. I don't go through a lot buy still quite a jump. I should shop around and will in the spring.
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I was in Dothan al this past weekend piggly wiggly had Harrell milling co gamebird feed 50# bag for 12.95 .I drive the 40 miles to buy my horse feed same feed where I live is 9.50 a bag at the pig in get it for 7.25 I buy about 25 bags a trip makes it worth the trip.
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Latest order received just before new year (Purina Gamebird feeds)...
2000# (1 ton) Flight conditioner = 11.94 / 50#
2000# (1 ton) Breeder layena = 12.07 / 50#
500 # of Purina scratch grain ran 10.10 per 50# bag
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just be glad your not buying my parrot feed ,its 35.00 per 50lb bag s176
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When you get to the point of buying 25+ tons of parrot food a year give me shout back and we'll compare expenses :razz:
...A ton of Gamebird Breeder Layena this week cost me $386.80 (Purina brand).
...Regarding your original question.....I will make it up with selling more birds, eggs, chicks (increase volume) and keep the prices the same....
$482.80 for a ton of layena now versus $386.80 for the same ton less than 2 years ago is a ~25% increase and when someone is buying large amounts it really adds up!
I'm pretty sure this thread got off track as it started out about the cost of business and trying to keep prices to end customers down with the price of feed continually increasing.
Update to Steves original question in the first post of this thread - I ended up keeping prices the same in 07 but raised my quail prices 25cents in 08, but that only covered ~7% of the feed increase not to mention the increase in electric, other supplies, etc. Still undecided what I will do in 2009 yet but just typing this out I see I probably need to increase prices again and pass some of this on to the end consumer and quit being so nice by incurring most all the increases myself causing my profit margin to drastically decrease.
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Update to Steves original question in the first post of this thread - I ended up keeping prices the same in 07 but raised my quail prices 25cents in 08, but that only covered ~7% of the feed increase not to mention the increase in electric, other supplies, etc. Still undecided what I will do in 2009 yet but just typing this out I see I probably need to increase prices again and pass some of this on to the end consumer and quit being so nice by incurring most all the increases myself causing my profit margin to drastically decrease.
The electric increase is suppose to be 15% per year for next three years here with American Electric Power (AEP). :-o
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yeah i know it adds up ..parrot isn't the only feed i buy just the most expensive ,I'm sure your overhead is very high..i was just mentioning a feed cost,no offense s178 small business is still business i raise birds and button quail , when your small every penny counts..even little ones
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Oddy is trying to play with the big boys again ..... ::)
Reeves,
Even the little pennies count.
when your small every penny counts..even little ones
I didn't know that the U.S. Mint started to make 1/2 cent pieces. Interesting..
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Purina Layena 15.00 50lb. bag....I am just going to mix mine 1/2 milo this year free choice and just let them eat what they want to pick out of the feeder..and free choice Alfalfa hay.
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I had to pass it on to my buyers,they understood.
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I had to pass it on to my buyers,they understood.
I do the same, If they don't like it, T.S. They can go else where.
Steve
Pheasant Hollow Farm
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Now thats not the right attitude... s020
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Old ones gone. Maybe it should be the falling cost of feed now since its going down.
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In that case, maybe someone should have started a new thread about the cost of feed in different areas of the country.
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Well a couple people thought that I should have added onto this post. So I figured I would try and please and add to it.
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Its not going down around here same as last year..15.00 breeder and 15.50 starter 50lbs.
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My feed bill is about to get the best of me.Have you all had increases in feed prices in the last few months.I am paying 13.95 50# bags starter,12.95 grower,layer 14.95 how about your prices.I once had a dealership of feed from a mill in Alabama,looks like I need to get it back.
Chris in southwest Ga.
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Quail grower $9.75 50lb bag & Quail starter $11.15 a 50lb bag not to bad concitering last years prices What-a-ya think.
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Jim wish I could buy at your prices.What brand are you buying.
Chris in southwest Ga.
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I buy my feed straight from a mill it's called bagdad rolling mill. ty2 Jim
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im paying 14.52 for a bag of gamebird starter or grower
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Paying $11.35 per 50LB of 23% starter when getting it ground at the local mill ordering 1000Lbs at a time. A lot better than the $15.23 per 50 in the bag.
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Has you all heard of Hubbard Feeds Inc., I buy there KTA brand Breeder pellets or crumbles 22% protein or grower 18% protein for $9.00 per 50# and there starter crumbles 27% protein for $11.00 per 50# . There main office is in Mankato, Mn 56002 P.S. they also have a Universal mixer that has 36 % potein to boost your other feeds if you need higher protein for $15.00 for 50#.
Jeremy
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I just found a mill that will grind a ton of grower/breeder for $200 and a 1/2 ton of starter for $130, based on Mississippi State's recipe. This is a windfall for me. I've been paying $13.05/bag. c50