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Jake, I have not made a contact on the feeders. Probably could get a discount but a 20% discount would still make them pretty pricy. Actually came on a good idea on this forum. Put out 5 gallon plastic containers with the sprayer set twice a day. Seems the inserts are available. Think I will try that. Probably a good idea to put one of these in each flypen. That way the birds will recognize the can and associate the sound with food. Hopefully they will anyway. I would think just having the feeders out a few weeks after the release will get them over the hump. Will try to put them over brushpiles or other cover. Another thing I am curious over. Do you think it is better to let out a few birds at a time or dump all of them out at a time. I was thinking a 500 bird quail release. Maybe 1000. They are territorial but not sure at what age that instinct kicks in. Also, it seems to me that putting them out a few at a time would attract predators. Could be the reverse of that though. Of course, won't be releasing anywhere near those numbers with pheasant. I looked at the Cutlers site. Good supply of goods. Going to get some stuff from them. Will look at other site you recommened also. Question on bands. On pheasant, do you band them when they come out of the brooder? That is 3 weeks. Size 7, right? Not going to band quail. Think simple color bands will work for pheasant. Just using them as sort of a system to see what works on age release. That looks like a pretty important thing. I see Steve with Pheasant Hallow puts them out at a year or more. Some say six months. It seems like the "surragator" folks are on to something with the 5 week thing with quail. A friend of mine here in East Texas has had good luck with 5 weeks on quali. It seems to me there is so much similarity between pheasant and quail that the loss of survival instincts at weaning age would apply to pheasant just like quail. Trying to figure out what the 5 week quail equivalent is for pheasant. I think earlier you mentioned 10-12 weeks as a good release time for pheasant. Did that time frame come as a equivalent weaning age for pheasant? That seems a little long. I mentioned 8 weeks but that was just a guess on my part. BTW, I emailed Pheasants Forever on the age release question and the subspecies question. Will let you know response. Was out on my place today playing on my bulldozer and pushed down a old tree that had two of the biggest coons I have ever seen and was full of bees. Bees covered me and did not get stung. Spooky on that big dozer with bees all over me, paniced and tried to cut throttle to get out and opened it wide open instead. Almost comical. Living right here in Texas. If these birds are lucky as me, I'll have a bumper crop.